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@FourTrouble
Whiteflame 100% if coal isn't. They aren't a team though, they aren't at the other's throat nor trying to win the other over whatsoever. This interactionlessness isn't a partner-tell it's a non-partner-tell for experienced players.
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Interactionless isn't a tell at all, period. 
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@FourTrouble
Pie calls it "convenient" that I scumread Earth. This shows a lack of understanding. Nothing about my reads are "convenient." They're based on the evidence provided, which began with strong behavioral evidence and was followed up with an investigative result. 
I’d rather have this discussion tomorrow. Earth is 100% the lynch today just based on the convenience of him claiming Miller right after you + policy lynch Millers
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What's your behavioral read on Earth, Pie? 
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Millers aren't a policy lynch. It's actually a strongly town indicative claim if done early in first post of the game.
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What's your behavioral read on Earth, Pie? 
Scummy af for claiming Miller after a guilty investigation. I think he’s a noob too so it makes sense.
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@ILikePie5
He's not a noob, he played with me over a year and a half ago in games with buddamoose for beginners here.
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@FourTrouble
Millers aren't a policy lynch. It's actually a strongly town indicative claim if done early in first post of the game.
I’m waiting for the day a mod makes Miller a fake role claim and town loses because of it. Normally I’d agree that he should be a back pocket lynch but the fact he claimed Miller after your guilty + clearly was lurking = scum
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@FourTrouble
Did you ask my read? What's your read genius? You've scumread everyone except coal, you're the simp with confirmation bias, not me.
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He's not a noob, he played with me over a year and a half ago in games with buddamoose for beginners here.
Practically a noob. Either way the convenience of the claim doesn’t make sense to me.
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Anyway, I’ll be up in the air for the next couple of hours, so for now, my vote’s locked in.
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@ILikePie5
I add Pie to my townread pile. Pie likes to stall the game and go for neutral lynches when available. He only hardpresses when he thinks the pressure benefits town.

He has acted town now and has a leak based on what he didn't do even during the cop counterclaim. He stayed voting MC for the confirmation and remained neutral thinking the situation was stupid. Now he wants to change and vote the guy who did barely anything and then claimed miller after being guiltied.

This kind of leap is also a towntell as unlike the cop CC it is net neutral for town (which Pie likes as town and which I misread as a scumtell in our poker game).

Pie is town.
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Town
Pie
Oromagi
MisterChris
FT (assuming some things about Earth's claim)
Earth (but I also put him in scumpile, this is a contingent read)

Scum
WF or Coal other is AFK most probably and Earth really may be a lazy miller or jester.

FT and Earth may be a team in a bullshit scenario where scum has three and town has many PRs.

I doubt this though. 

I think the other scum are between Lunatic and Speedrace (is there another AFK? I hust base this on memory rn)




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If town has two cops, Misterchris's power isn't necessarily town-only because it seems this game is balanced by overpowering both sides in essence. However, if both sides are so overpowered, why would there be a non-flavoured miller in the mix? Hmm...
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If there is a miller Misterchris is town, a miller being guiltied and a mafia with the power to survive all lategame lylos is basically unbalanced no matter what especially with town having cops as opposed to trackers etc.
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Honestly I was debating outing my role or not, but had I known there was a day cop, I would have ousted right away.
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Lynch Coal this second please.
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Why coal?
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@Earth
If you are miller, Coal is absolutely scum. Coal assumed the entire counterclaim between FT and me that FT fakeclaimed. Coal didn't even flinch before assuming it a d once you outed he further asserted it out of nowhere comparing FT to someone called Tim from DDO. This implies he knew FT had a false guilty all along.
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@Earth
Coal has not positively contributed to the game at all, his pressure has been pushed towards Oromagi out of nowhere. He was scared to scumread me as he PR-read my aggressive playstyle from the start, so he instead called my contribution garbage and tried to shame me into laying off.
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@Earth
Honestly I was debating outing my role or not, but had I known there was a day cop, I would have ousted right away.
Why does it matter if you thought there was a daycop or not. When would have you outted if you didn’t think there was a daycop?

What’s your justification 
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@ILikePie5
The point is that I wouldn't need to immediately get on and claim Miller without risking some dipshit wasting his day cop. I would have claimed fairly early on though. Justification is something like how I was a childhood friend of Erza and some evil wizard Zeref or whatever brainwashed me. I was cured and have no memory of what I did and want to redeem myself.
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@Earth
Vote coal
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TOWN
Coal
Whiteflame
MisterChris                  Mirajane Strauss  LOVED
RationalMadma            Doranbolt            COP [CC'd]
iLikePie5
FourTrouble                   Ezra Scarlet     (DAY)COP [CC'd]
                                                                           2nd: JOAT?
Earth                             Jellal  Fernandes      MILLER 
AWoL
Speedrace
Lunatic
SCUM


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He's not a noob, he played with me over a year and a half ago in games with buddamoose for beginners here.
Practically a noob. Either way the convenience of the claim doesn’t make sense to me.
I note that Earth was the author of the first Guide to Mafia on DART. 

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That was copied from DDO.
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Give the reason not to vote coal?
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Voting coal is the only way town can make up for the deficit of reveals we've just had. Coal's claim won't matter, however if it seems really strong and realistic we let a cc occur. We lynch him noatter what otherwise. We have to force claims immediately, in a strategised order. Trust me on this.
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If town remains vs mafia with the information deficit we currently have, we're behind in all ways.
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Voting coal over a No Lynch is acceptable. Although if I was not myself, I probably would be voting the miller/guilty.