What causes politics?

Author: thett3

Posts

Total: 227
Topic's author
#181
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@Tarik
Not to be that guy but did you ever stop to think that different hardware they’re running on is just blatant ignorance.
I have but how can I determine if its theirs that is faulty, or mine?  

And this difference shows up in other, non political ways. There’s a reason that cities are deep blue and rural areas are blood red, yes there are different incentives and policies that explain a lot of the difference but it’s also just differences in living preferences. I would never want to live in an urban big city high rise, for other people (who overwhelmingly lean left) it’s a lifelong ambition 
Topic's author
#182
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@Ramshutu
Take anti-government ideology; of conservatives today: If some random socialist policy did not cause the problems you thought it would, and actually helped in the way expected; would this change your mind?
People can change their minds yes. On certain questions there are objective (or close to) answers, like does a certain policy achieve its stated aim. But the trick is deciding the aims in the first place, and determining if THOSE are good. Take something like immigration. Everyone talks about economics or whatever but what it almost always boils down to in actuality is differences in what people want the culture to be like. I don’t think there is an objective answer there 
Topic's author
#183
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@Ramshutu
And also, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, if you think that your positions just come from a willingness to embrace the data and change your mind…well, unless you’re one in a million they don’t. I’m sure some do and you deserve credit for that. But you’re a human being just as susceptible to bias as everyone else. The question is where do THOSE biases come from in the first place 
#184
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@Ramshutu
Eh - bit of a strawman - replace "invalidated" with "Continued to assert that x.." - you seem to think that someone not willing to grant your sophistry is somehow "ignoring you". When your foundational claim is just an assertion (you're uber-broad, unsourced definition of fear), the claims you make on TOP of that are false. A syllogism that's first premise is untrue is unsound, pretty clear that is.

So when you say it's "commonly accepted" that is no where near good enough, and when it turns out that the ACTUAL DEFINITION, written by a dictionary that collects thousands of psychologists and researchers - that means that the common public use a word incorrectly - it happens all the time. TLDR: You can't seem to accept that your definition is bullocks.
#185
Reece101
Reece101's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 1,977
3
2
2
Reece101's avatar
Reece101
3
2
2
-->
@thett3
What causes politics?
Politics is the sociological outcome of governance, roughly speaking.

Anyone disagree?   

#186
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@Ramshutu
the other was really just variations “you haven’t proved anything!”
Um... yes. Because you hadn't proven anything? The claim that all of your explanation came from was unsubstantiated, so yes, you indeed haven't proven anything.

Furthermore - no - I wasn't backed into any corner - let's remember something, afterall, you've read the entire exchange right? Remember that time when I specifically quoted from your explanation and pointed out my problems with it and you ignored that? Remember when I did that several times? I did indeed "disentangle" your argument, you were so stuck up on your high horse you seemed to not notice. 
#187
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@Ramshutu
Sorry - one more thing - "prove is outside of common language", yeah, no - that would be your burden. Furthermore when discussing a specific topic, when providing definitions it is up to both interlocutors to justify use of their definition within the resolution, in this case, within the topic at hand - aka - topicality. Whenever one of those provide a definition that is by default better than another: like if you had provided a definition of surgery and I had a medical definition that proved yours wrong, we wouldn't default to yours because maybe "more people use that one", its a ridiculous argument yours is. 
Topic's author
#188
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@Reece101
Sure. But the real question is what causes political affiliation
#189
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
What do you guys think makes a man a communist?
#190
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
Don't say fear. That whole argument was boring.
#191
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
And wrong btw. Necessity was always a better word. It's an essentialism you have to get at, I think. Fear's there a little bit, sure. 
#192
Reece101
Reece101's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 1,977
3
2
2
Reece101's avatar
Reece101
3
2
2
Sure. But the real question is what causes political affiliation
Being uncontent.
#193
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@badger
A dissatisfaction with the exploitative capitalistic society they live in?
#194
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
-->
@Theweakeredge
That is not any sort of meaningful answer. I want some deep heart and soul shit.

What makes a dude want to chop off his penis and use opposite sex bathrooms these days?

#195
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
Can you imagine chopping off your penis? Maybe there's something of the difference between capitalists and communists in that.
#196
Reece101
Reece101's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 1,977
3
2
2
Reece101's avatar
Reece101
3
2
2
-->
@Theweakeredge
The super wealthy have politics too, but in their case money is speech. 


#197
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
Communists have the big penises btw. Capitalists are compensating obviously.
Topic's author
#198
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@badger
This is an incredibly autistic answer but this manifesto from a literal terrorist explains the psychology of a certain kind of leftist better than anything else I have ever encountered https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial%20Society%20and%20Its%20Future.pdf
#199
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
-->
@thett3
I love autistic answers, thett. 
#200
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,023
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@badger
In a world of castrated men, the needle dick is king.
#201
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
-->
@Greyparrot
You should get that as a tattoo. 
#202
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,023
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@thett3
I love to note that almost all people submitting diatribes denouncing technology use a computer to create their documents.
#203
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@badger
Do you mean what makes people want to go through transitioning? Though typically male phenotypical people don't actually have their penis removed, it does happen sure, just not very often. And typically it's gender dysphoria, whenever someone's phenotype doesn't match their gender identity - but typically transgender individuals should be, and are often more comfortable going into the bathroom that is associated with their gender even before they transition. Some people don't transition at all. 

So - to answer your question - those "dudes" aren't dudes - and most transgender individuals don't get their penis's removed - but the ones who do, do so because a deep dysphoria as a result of their phenotype that is in conflict with their gender identity. 
#204
Tarik
Tarik's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 2,481
3
3
5
Tarik's avatar
Tarik
3
3
5
-->
@thett3
I have but how can I determine if its theirs that is faulty, or mine?  
Why bother taking up a position you’re uncertain of? The most objective route is to simply say I don’t know, don’t you think?

There’s a reason that cities are deep blue and rural areas are blood red, yes there are different incentives and policies that explain a lot of the difference but it’s also just differences in living preferences.
There’s a fundamental difference between being right and wrong and preferences, the former is objective and the latter is subjective.
#205
badger
badger's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 2,243
3
3
3
badger's avatar
badger
3
3
3
-->
@Theweakeredge
What business have you knowing how many men cut their penises off can you please tell me?
#206
Theweakeredge
Theweakeredge's avatar
Debates: 33
Posts: 3,457
4
7
10
Theweakeredge's avatar
Theweakeredge
4
7
10
-->
@badger
Um... research? Because their are surveys and such that ask these kinds of questions, and people consent to giving answers and do so... it's pretty basic stuff. 
#207
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,023
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@badger
There's more recent research that individual suicide rates go up after genitalia mutilations.

Can't say that I am all surprised science figured that out.

You can even get surgery before the age of 18 in some states.



Topic's author
#208
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
-->
@Tarik
Whether or not there is an objectively correct position on every issue or if everything is subjective isn't really what I’m trying to go after with the OP. I’m curious what causes people to think the way they do in the first place. Even if they are objectively wrong…why? What causes them to think that way? 

#209
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,023
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@thett3
I've seen enough of these kinds of arguments regarding nature vs nurture to know it's dangerous ethical ground to imply someone could be born predisposed to be a Marxist.
#210
Tarik
Tarik's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 2,481
3
3
5
Tarik's avatar
Tarik
3
3
5
-->
@thett3
I’m curious what causes people to think the way they do in the first place.
Anything specific you have in mind? Because politics is a pretty broad spectrum.