Necessary evils

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It doesn't matter if humans SHOULD  reflect the universe in its apparent inability to care if we DON'T reflect the universe and just go ahead and care any way. 
Are you conceding that we SHOULD reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
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why did you entertain a notion you thought was false if there's an entirely other notion that you think is true? 
You said it yourself

if your gonna do devil's advocate
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Are you conceding that we SHOULD reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
No i am not I am saying it doesn't matter one way or the other when our observations support the proposition that humans care and do not support the proposition that the universe does.

Should=/=does
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...No one’s disputing that but I’m SOLELY asking in regards to should.
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So why make a devil's advocate
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Because it’s an effective discussion tactic.
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No.... its deliberately a dishonest tactic - explain what it would accomplish here
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@Tarik
our observations support the proposition that humans care and do not support the proposition that the universe does.
No one’s disputing that but I’m SOLELY asking in regards to should.
And I'm telling you that even if we SHOULD we DON'T  so I'm not sure what difference it would make or what your point is. 

I personally don't think it is a matter of what we should do but rather what we actually do.
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No.... its deliberately a dishonest tactic - explain what it would accomplish here
It’s not dishonesty if I’m telling you I’m doing it, and maybe if you let me argue as I wish you’ll find out.
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I personally don't think it is a matter of what we should do but rather what we actually do.
Well your not the one asking the question, I am.

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No... just explain it - please
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Explain what devils advocate is? Google is free dude.

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god -you're semantics - explain WHY using devil's advocate is constructive
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Did I not make myself clear the first time? Google is free dude it’s not my job to educate you on why devils advocate is an effective debate strategy, miss me with that bs.
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Well your not the one asking the question, I am.
So you are asking my subjective opinion?
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Don’t act slow now, I’ve made it abundantly clear what the question was, the question is 
SHOULD we reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
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Don’t act slow now, I’ve made it abundantly clear what the question was, the question is 
SHOULD we reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
In regards to what goal or subjective standard? SHOULD is meaningless without context. 

SHOULD mosquitoes suck blood? Well I don't know of they should but they do.
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...So what context were you referring to when you said

It doesn't matter if humans SHOULD reflect the universe in its apparent inability to care
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So what context were you referring to when you said

It doesn't matter if humans SHOULD reflect the universe in its apparent inability to care
The context of observable demonstrable reality and in that context there is no should or shouldn't.

 Is and ought are like water and oil. They just will not mix. 
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That makes no sense, one minute your acknowledging a should and the next your not, make up your mind.
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I know what a devil's advocate is - I'm asking why YOU are using it - you're pedantics are gross.
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No, your pedantics is gross with all your questions.
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That makes no sense, one minute your acknowledging a should and the next your not, make up your mind.
You brought up should 
I personally don't think it is a matter of what we should do but rather what we actually do.
Well your not the one asking the question, I am.
See.
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You brought up should 
Yes but you acknowledged it after I brought it up by saying it doesn’t matter, something not mattering isn’t the same as it being nonexistent.
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Even worse then you use to be I see - all I ask is a simple question - how is using devil's advocate constructive here specifically?
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Even worse then you use to be I see
Then feel free to block me FOR THE THIRD TIME AGAIN if you want.

all I ask is a simple question - how is using devil's advocate constructive here specifically?
And I already told you that the only way you’ll get your answer is if you let me exercise it fully, take it or leave it.
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My mistake thank you for the correction.THERE ISNO SHOULD when discussing what IS.
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THERE ISNO SHOULD when discussing what IS.
Good to know, too bad that’s not what we’re discussing considering I asked in regards to should.
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Maybe to a separate question, biology has nothing  to do with why some have personal feelings, tastes or opinions in regards to subjective morality.
Let us return to the original question and I will try to be more accurate and specific. 
Maybe to a separate question
Firstly congratulations to me for knowing you so well inso little time. Amazing that you ticked off every box on the list btw.
, biology has nothing  to do with why some have personal feelings, tastes or opinions in regards to subjective morality.
Biology is the primary reason any organism does anything. People have evolved morality because it gives us an evolutionary advantage.

It is the mechanism of morality. Without living organisms there is no reason to believe there is any morality. In fact how can there be with no mind and if a mind is required then morality is an abstraction not an existent "thing" in and of itself.

Morality is contingent upon moral actors. Humans are the only moral actors we agree exists therefore morality is contingent upon humans.
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Without living organisms there is no reason to believe there is any morality.
Even with living organisms what reason is there to believe there is any morality (as zedvictor4 defined considering you piggybacked off our discussion)?