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@secularmerlin
A criminal organization isn’t SOMEONE ELSE.
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@Tarik
Every single person who isn't you is simeone else.
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@secularmerlin
...And? A criminal organization isn’t every single person who isn't me.
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@Tarik
I don't understand your objection. If all members of a criminal organization benefit from the selfish actions of the other members then it is possible to benefit from the selfish actions of other people. It seems like you agree that criminals in a criminal organization benefit from the selfish actions of other criminals so I'm not sure what your point is.
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@secularmerlin
If all members of a criminal organization benefit from the selfish actions
Correction they benefit from doing their job if they didn’t do that they would have no benefits.
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@Tarik
Please explain the practical difference between the two in order to justify this case of hairsplitting.
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@secularmerlin
The difference between doing your job and not doing your job, are you seriously asking me that?
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@Tarik
No I am not asking the difference between doing your job and not doing your job.
I am asking what is the practical difference between professional criminals performing selfish actions and doing their job.
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@secularmerlin
Never mind, I would argue the criminal activity isn’t selfish if others are benefiting from it too.
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@Tarik
That is your argument? That if anyone benefits in any way then no matter how callous and uncaring an act is it is not selfish?
So if I commit an armed robbery and take what doesn't belong to me for my own enrichment then so long as my fence also benefits (through the sale of my illicit goods) then I haven't done anything selfish?
If that isn't what you are saying then exactly what are you saying?
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@secularmerlin
The robbery and the selling is two different crimes, the robbery being selfish and the selling being unselfish.
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@Tarik
One is contingent upon the other AND in selling stolen goods it is likely that the seller is CHEIFLY concerned with personal profit.
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@secularmerlin
Your conflating the motive with the action again, those are two different things regardless of whether or not one is predicated on the other.
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@Tarik
How do you determine what an action is CHEIFLY concerned with?
I know of no way of doing this other than evaluating the motive. If you don't like that method then you will have to suggest an alternative because I don't know of any alternative methods.
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@secularmerlin
Stop asking me the same tired questions over and over again, I literally predicted this post before you posted it, clearly you have nothing else to contribute to this discussion. Your syllogism is flawed period.
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@Tarik
I am asking the question again because it has not yet been answered.
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@secularmerlin
...🥱 If that’s what you gotta tell yourself 🤷🏾♂️ .
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@Tarik
You have not demonstrated a flaw in the structure of the argument. All your objections are tangential and I tried to address them anyway. I have been as generous an interlocutor as possible and you have done nothing but put up roadblocks to honest and open communication. You must examine what exactly you are trying to do here. Are you trying to understand and be understood or just to "win" whatever it is you personally consider that to be?
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@secularmerlin
You have not demonstrated a flaw in the structure of the argument. All your objections are tangential and I tried to address them anyway. I have been as generous an interlocutor as possible and you have done nothing but put up roadblocks to honest and open communication.
...🥱 If that’s what you gotta tell yourself 🤷🏾♂️ .
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@Tarik
Why do you imagine I need to tell myself anything and why would I do so by telling you?
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@secularmerlin
You tell me.
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@Tarik
Are you the least bit curious why I think we can only define an actions as selfish through the motive?
It is because actions are not in and of themselves CHEIFLY concerned with anything. Only people are concerned with anything at all as far as I know so when you say an act is selfish or a motive is selfish what you are really saying is that a person is being selfish.
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@secularmerlin
It is because actions are not in and of themselves CHEIFLY concerned with anything.
So in other words the action ISN’T selfish, you’ve conceded to that point for the SECOND time, glad we’ve come to an agreement, good for you dude 👏🏾.
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@Tarik
You are missing the point. I can only surmise that you are doing so purposefully.
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@secularmerlin
...🥱 If that’s what you gotta tell yourself 🤷🏾♂️ .
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@Tarik
It is what I am telling you.
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@secularmerlin
...Yeah no shit.
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@Tarik
If you ever become interested in the actual ideas I am communicating over a false sense of victory drop me a line.
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@secularmerlin
I dropped you many lines yet you choose to ask me the same answered questions over and over again as if that progresses anything, and I ain’t here for that so ✌🏾.
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@Tarik
If all you want is to prove everyone "wrong", well then you can make any statement "wrong" simply by twisting and turning and arguing semantics and refusing to except their definitions.
You could do that. Won't bring you any closer to the truth and it won't make you "right" but you sure can.