democratic counties have over twice the GDP of republican counties, among other things

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 As much as I disagree with Amazon getting any tax breaks...
The elites in the Democrat Party disagree with you. Lobbyists make the decisions, not you or people you know.

The reason why Blue States have most of the the ultra-rich is because the Democrat Party does a really good job catering to the ultra-rich.

You have to be a serious Ostrich-head to believe differently.

how does this compare to republicans passing a $2T tax bill for which 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%?
It shows that the Republicans are a LOT worse at catering to the Ultra-Rich, try as they might. Otherwise, their states would have a lot more Jeff Bezos types than Blue States.

This entire thread is riddled with posts about how "great" it is to live in Blue States with the Ultra Rich inflating the GDP of those Blue States. 

Grats on supporting the Ultra Rich.
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Why do you support the Ultra-Rich?
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because the ultra rich have wealth that trickles down to the rest of us peons. isn't that the conservative stance? 
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 the ultra rich have wealth that trickles down to the rest of us peons.
Probably a RINO stance, but I wouldn't know because I am not a conservative.

Peons don't have a chance to go up the heavily regulated ladder of dystopian states like California, regardless of the trickledown effects.
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Except within many of those blue counties the rich suburbs vote red and the poor minority areas vote blue. Assigning the entire GDP of a county to whichever party won is asinine. Trump won Suffolk County New York (Long Island) by 0.1%. Biden won Tarrant County Texas (Fort Worth) by 0.2%. Imagine thinking these are monolithic places and assigning all of their GDP to one side. Moreover, a lot of “red” people commute to blue areas. Like triangle brought up, the Dallas suburban and exurban counties don’t “produce” as much GDP on their own but a lot of the people who do live in them. 

Go take a look at the 2020 exit polls and you’ll see that Trump won voters in households making over $100,000 and lost households making below that decisively. So if we want to be classist, we have to favor Republicans. The Republican advantage with wealthy households has been dwindling (as has the Democratic advantage with the poor.) I guess Republicans are supposed to be ashamed about appealing more to poor people? I don’t really get your point. 

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  • Democratic districts have seen their median household income soar in a decade—from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 in 2018. By contrast, the income level in Republican districts began slightly higher in 2008, but then declined from $55,000 to $53,000.
  • “Blue” territories have seen their productivity climb from $118,000 per worker in 2008 to $139,000 in 2018. Republican-district productivity, by contrast, remains stuck at about $110,000.
Yeah this makes sense because since 2008 Democrats have absolutely been hemorrhaging rural voters and republicans have been hemorrhaging suburban voters. Rural areas have a much lower cost of living which skews the numbers quite a bit—compare the lifestyles of someone making $53,000 in rural Arkansas with someone making $61,000 in a New York City suburb. 

Saying “democratic districts” vs “republican districts” is a very silly metric because many of these are ideologically diverse places. Using house districts for anything is breathtakingly ignorant of American politics. We aren’t even using the same congressional districts now that we were in 2008! And the house is extremely susceptible to having incredibly large numbers of districts flip in wave elections. Very convenient timing you use, starting in 2008 which was about the peak Democratic performance in rural areas in this century and stop in 2018 right after they won a bunch of historically red suburban districts. I would be interested to see these numbers after the 2020 election, when Republicans flipped a dozen of these suburban districts back.

A more honest metric is to look at who votes red and who votes blue. What you’ll see is that Republicans win rich households, Democrats win poor households,  and for both parties these  advantages have been declining as America becomes less polarized by income and more polarized by ideology.   

but really I object to this entire characterization. I can all but guarantee that I make more money than you do, have a higher education, and have more wealth. Does that make my opinion worth more than yours? What a bizarre sentiment coming from a progressive lol
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Yeah this makes sense because since 2008 Democrats have absolutely been hemorrhaging rural voters and republicans have been hemorrhaging suburban voters. Rural areas have a much lower cost of living which skews the numbers quite a bit—compare the lifestyles of someone making $53,000 in rural Arkansas with someone making $61,000 in a New York City suburb. 
It's a difficult comparison to make.  A job that commands a $53,000/yr salary in rural Arkansas might merit $80,000/yr in Connecticut.  I note that Arkansas ranks 49th in the US for internet access so a job like mine that requires dependable connectivity from home might not even be an option.  The most common job in either place is a fast food worker but if I take a job flipping burgers at McDonald's in Arkansas, I'll start at $7.50/hr and work my way up to an avg $8.48/hr ($16,960/yr).  If I take the same job in Connecticut, I'd start at $13.75 and average $15.26/hr ($31,732/yr).  The most telling statistic might be cost of living vs median household income.

In 2018, a living wage in Arkansas was estimated at $44,571/yr whereas
a living wage in Connecticut was estimated at $59, 502/yr BUT
In 2018, the median household income in Arkansas was $44,334 whereas
the median household income in Connecticut was  $73,433

So- while it costs $15,000/yr more in Connecticut to maintain the same basic standard of living, the median family income in Arkansas falls a couple hundred dollars short of meeting that basic standard while the median family in Connecticut has almost $14,000 more to spend beyond the basics per year. 

Saying “democratic districts” vs “republican districts” is a very silly metric because many of these are ideologically diverse places. Using house districts for anything is breathtakingly ignorant of American politics.
I noted this in POST #15 this thread.  This is a massive oversimplification of political and economic outcomes.

Very convenient timing you use, starting in 2008 which was about the peak Democratic performance in rural areas in this century and stop in 2018 right after they won a bunch of historically red suburban districts.
The timing is the Wall St. Journal's, not mine.

I would be interested to see these numbers after the 2020 election, when Republicans flipped a dozen of these suburban districts back.
POST #16 this thread  "Biden’s winning base in 509 counties encompasses fully 71% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,547 counties represents just 29% of the economy."  The economic gap widened significantly to the credit of counties voting for Biden.

A more honest metric is to look at who votes red and who votes blue. What you’ll see is that Republicans win rich households, Democrats win poor households,  and for both parties these  advantages have been declining as America becomes less polarized by income and more polarized by ideology.   
I can't find hard data on this but that's certainly the popular perception.  To my mind, the education trend is the most telling.  College degree is the most important class and income divider in the US and both 2016 and 2020 saw significant swings in college educateds away from the GOP and toward Democrats.  The fact is that college degrees increased 25% over 10 years in blue counties but not at all in red counties.  The fact is that income and productivity is rising fast in blue counties and declining in red.  Even if the average Republican voter's income was greater than the average Democrats in 2020 (I am skeptical but that basic number breakdown is hard to come up with), that advantage seems to be reversing quickly.

but really I object to this entire characterization. I can all but guarantee that I make more money than you do, have a higher education, and have more wealth. Does that make my opinion worth more than yours? What a bizarre sentiment coming from a progressive lol
Your characterization and yours alone so I'll leave it to you to file those objections in person.

Ultimately, I view such statistics as more data refuting Friedman and Republican "trickle down" economic policy generally.  The Keynesian public-private partnerships modeled by the more progressive urban areas have proved more efficient and more sustainable.
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It's a difficult comparison to make.  A job that commands a $53,000/yr salary in rural Arkansas might merit $80,000/yr in Connecticut.  I note that Arkansas ranks 49th in the US for internet access so a job like mine that requires dependable connectivity from home might not even be an option.  The most common job in either place is a fast food worker but if I take a job flipping burgers at McDonald's in Arkansas, I'll start at $7.50/hr and work my way up to an avg $8.48/hr ($16,960/yr).  If I take the same job in Connecticut, I'd start at $13.75 and average $15.26/hr ($31,732/yr).  The most telling statistic might be cost of living vs median household income.

In 2018, a living wage in Arkansas was estimated at $44,571/yr whereas
a living wage in Connecticut was estimated at $59, 502/yr BUT
In 2018, the median household income in Arkansas was $44,334 whereas
the median household income in Connecticut was  $73,433

So- while it costs $15,000/yr more in Connecticut to maintain the same basic standard of living, the median family income in Arkansas falls a couple hundred dollars short of meeting that basic standard while the median family in Connecticut has almost $14,000 more to spend beyond the basics per year. 
It IS a difficult comparison to make. So difficult that it's basically futile. You're proving my point, which is that cost of living differences between 435 different congressional districts make broad comparisons untenable. Do you have the numbers for a living wage in Republican districts vs. Democratic ones so we can compare who is poorer, adjusted for COL? Since poor people are icky, and winning them is bad right?

POST #16 this thread  "Biden’s winning base in 509 counties encompasses fully 71% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,547 counties represents just 29% of the economy."  The economic gap widened significantly to the credit of counties voting for Biden.
Three points:

1) Look at who is voting for who within those counties Biden won. I'll focus on Texas because it's what I know the best. Biden won Tarrant County (Fort Worth) by 0.2%, by winning places filled with poor minorities such as inner city Fort Worth and Arlington while losing incredibly rich suburbs like Southlake and Colleyville handily. Focusing simply on who won overall misses a lot of nuance (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html). Again, Trump won voters making over $100k by 12 points and lost those making below by 13 points (https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results). This Republican advantage has been dwindling, as has the Democratic advantage with the poor as American politics becomes less polarized by income and race and more by culture. But the economic divide is still very much there. 

2) Counties won by Trump and CD's won by Republicans aren't quite the same thing. Trump is basically a textbook example of how to alienate upper middle class white sensibilities, which is why congressional Republicans outperformed him pretty much across the board in suburban areas. Take a look at the CD's Republican's flipped in 2020, and most of them have household incomes comfortably above $53k: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#Democrats_3

The two that don't are very rural (so lower cost of living) with a high minority population. Your source is comparing the Democratic high water mark in low cost of living areas with their high water mark in high cost of living areas. Yah, the average income they represent is gonna go up lol.

3) This entire thing really is classist af. I hate to act like an SJW but it makes me uncomfortable even arguing about it, as if the votes from the poor whites or poor minorities who moved towards Trump are dirty and the Republican party should be ashamed for winning more of them. Poor people have interests and are generally capable of figuring out with politicians are best representing those interests. Winning more of them is a good thing.

I can't find hard data on this but that's certainly the popular perception.  To my mind, the education trend is the most telling.  College degree is the most important class and income divider in the US and both 2016 and 2020 saw significant swings in college educateds away from the GOP and toward Democrats.  The fact is that college degrees increased 25% over 10 years in blue counties but not at all in red counties.  The fact is that income and productivity is rising fast in blue counties and declining in red.  Even if the average Republican voter's income was greater than the average Democrats in 2020 (I am skeptical but that basic number breakdown is hard to come up with), that advantage seems to be reversing quickly.
It's actually trivially easy to find the data on this. The data on voting behavior by income comes from the exact same sources where the data on voting behavior by education  comes from, so I'm surprised you haven't seen it before. Affluent whites without college degrees were by far Trumps staunchest supporters. I have a few ideas about why that is but nothing concrete.

Ultimately, I view such statistics as more data refuting Friedman and Republican "trickle down" economic policy generally.  The Keynesian public-private partnerships modeled by the more progressive urban areas have proved more efficient and more sustainable.
Yeah I'm going to press X to doubt that your interest in this subject is purely academic and not at all motivated by a desire to see your opponents as poor, uneducated rubes.

But we agree that old school Republican economics are a joke. Hilariously, a lot of the much vaunted suburban, college educated new supporters Dems are so proud of were all for supply side and trickle down economics, while many of those dirty poor rural whites and minorities were deeply skeptical. This is why Romney and Bush cleaned up in the suburbs but had surprisingly poor showings across rural America compared to Trump.
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Yeah, I'm going to press X to doubt..
Smart man.