democratic counties have over twice the GDP of republican counties, among other things

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In the end, in red counties, you’d have…
  • Lots of guns
  • lots of violence
  • Lots of underlying racism
  • Lots of religious bigotry
  • Lots of excuses for why the finances and operational system of govt was failing
  • Lots of unwed mothers
  • Lots of welfare use
  • …and SERIOUS MONEY PROBLEMS.
questions, comments, words of wisdom? 
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Your analysis is rather flawed considering most people travel from surrounding red counties to work in blue counties. Just look at Dallas County in a sea of surrounding red including Collin, Denton, Tarrant, Rockwall, and Kaufman counties. All of these are pretty red, especially Rockwall
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well, on a state level, blue states are worth over twice as much on a GDP basis too. 

i dont know how "gdp per capita" is broken down between the two groups. 
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well, on a state level, blue states are worth over twice as much on a GDP basis too. 
Again that’s flawed because you’re defining an incredibly diverse state by a single factor essentially summing it all into one. Either way Red States feed the Blue States so it doesn’t really matter. I’d like to see a woke liberal run a farm

i dont know how "gdp per capita" is broken down between the two groups. 

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I avoid posting because I know I'll start wasting too much time here again, but this one is too much.

Go back to the source you got that statistic from and check to see if it was GDP or GDP per capita. If it's GDP per capita and you just mistyped, you can ignore everything I'm about to say. I rather doubt it is, given the magnitude of the disparity, but you never know.

If it legitimately is GDP, then I have to break to you that whoever came up with that statistic took you for a ride. Straight-up GDP - again, not GDP per capita, which is why you need to check which it is - is just a measurement of how much economic output that county has. However, it isn't adjusted for population. A great example of this is China. They have the highest GDP in the world; however, the average Chinese citizen is poorer than the average American citizen. Their high GDP comes from the fact that they have the world's largest population, so they inevitably have a really high GDP. Now, relating to the statistic you cited, large cities lean blue and rural areas lean red. As a result of this, the average blue county is going to have a much higher population than your average red county. Consequently, the average blue county is going to have a higher GDP than the average red county - not because of politics, but because of population. If that statistic really is just straight-up GDP, then it's borderline meaningless. All it tells you is that blue counties have more people on average than red counties, which everyone already knew.

To be fair, it would be possible to take that statistic and do some studies to figure out if population was the only reason for it, or if there were other factors as well. However, given the nature of the claim, I kind of doubt that the originator of the statistic has actually done that.
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well, on a state level, blue states are worth over twice as much on a GDP basis too. 

i dont know how "gdp per capita" is broken down between the two groups. 
Didn't see this until after I already posted. So it was just straight up GDP and not GDP per capita, then. See above.
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  • lots of violence

"crime rates are higher in urban than in rural areas. Violent and property crime rates in our largest cities (Metropolitan Statistical Areas, or MSAs) are three to four times as high as the rates in rural communities (Barkan). These statistics hold for nearly all types of crime."

Us silly Republicans and our *checks notes* power in urban rather than rural areas? *stares at notes confusedly*

  • Lots of guns
  • lots of violence
  • Lots of underlying racism
  • Lots of religious bigotry
  • Lots of excuses for why the finances and operational system of govt was failing
  • Lots of unwed mothers
  • Lots of welfare use
  • …and SERIOUS MONEY PROBLEMS.
Honestly, I have rarely seen so many factually incorrect assertions presented in so few words. Really, you should have stopped at "guns"
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So Democrats are the party of the rich exploiters and income inequality having more than half the total homeless of the USA.

Grats.
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  • lots of violence

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Looks mostly peaceful to me
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You expect places with such ridiculous amounts of inequality to have a lot of violence.
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You're giving off commie vibes. Are you suggesting we eat the rich????
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Californians think they have been eating the rich, but it was really FDA-approved substitutes.
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I perceive, simply by a map of counties and overlaid political stripe by election results, that democrat counties are laden with heavy industry, mixed with residential, whereas Republican counties are primarily residential with light industry and retail trade. That, in and of itself, explains you GDP comparison. Do you really expect that the corner Mom/Pop grocer has the GDP of GM? Come on, man.
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In the end, in red counties, you’d have…
  • Lots of guns
  • lots of violence
  • Lots of underlying racism
  • Lots of religious bigotry
  • Lots of excuses for why the finances and operational system of govt was failing
  • Lots of unwed mothers
  • Lots of welfare use
  • …and SERIOUS MONEY PROBLEMS.
questions, comments, words of wisdom? 
I think your topic sentence is an interesting and provable fact.  I think your first post diluted your intent by adding too many large generalizations.  If we say that counties that voted Trump are RED counties then we are talking about 2,547 of America's 3006 counties.  Blue counties are only 1/6th of US counties.  Red counties that represent suburbs are very different from Florida swamp counties or Wyoming ranch counties.  Utah Republicans are more different from Alabama Republicans than Democrats from any BLUE county are from one another.


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The Brookings Report has been reporting on this rapidly widening gap in partnership with the Wall St. Journal:

Even with a new president and political party soon in charge of the White House, the nation’s economic standoff continues. Notwithstanding President-elect Joe Biden’s solid popular vote victory, last week’s election failed to deliver the kind of transformative reorientation of the nation’s political-economic map that Democrats (and some Republicans) had hoped for. The data confirms that the election sharpened the striking geographic divide between red and blue America, instead of dispelling it.
Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy.

A similar analysis for last week’s election shows these trends continuing, albeit with a different political outcome. This time, Biden’s winning base in 509 counties encompasses fully 71% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,547 counties represents just 29% of the economy. (Votes are still outstanding in 28 mostly low-output counties, and this piece will be updated as new data is reported.)
Aggregate share of US GDP
2016
Hillary Clinton  64%
Donald Trump   36%
2020
Joe Biden    71%
Donald Trump  29%

So, while the election’s winner may have changed, the nation’s economic geography remains rigidly divided. Biden captured virtually all of the counties with the biggest economies in the country (depicted by the largest blue tiles in the nearby graphic), including flipping the few that Clinton did not win in 2016.

By contrast, Trump won thousands of counties in small-town and rural communities with correspondingly tiny economies (depicted by the red tiles). Biden’s counties tended to be far more diverse, educated, and white-collar professional, with their aggregate nonwhite and college-educated shares of the economy running to 35% and 36%,
respectively, compared to 16% and 25% in counties that voted for Trump.

In short, 2020’s map continues to reflect a striking split between the large, dense, metropolitan counties that voted Democratic and the mostly exurban, small-town, or rural counties that voted Republican.  Blue and red America reflect two very different economies: one oriented to diverse, often college-educated workers in professional and digital services occupations, and the other whiter, less-educated, and more dependent on “traditional” industries.

With that said, it would be wrong to describe this as a completely static map. While the metropolitan/ nonmetropolitan dichotomy remained starkly persistent, 2020 election returns produced nontrivial movement, as Biden added modestly to the Democrats’ metropolitan base and significantly to its vote base. Most notably, Biden flipped six of the nation’s 100 highest-output counties, strengthening the link between these core economic hubs and the Democratic Party. More specifically, Biden flipped half of the 10 most economically significant counties Trump won in 2016, including Phoenix’s Maricopa County; Dallas-Fort Worth’s Tarrant County; Jacksonville, Fla.’s Duval County; Morris County in New Jersey; and Tampa-St. Petersburg, Fla.’s Pinellas County.

Altogether, those losses shaved about 3 percentage points’ worth of GDP off the economic base of Trump counties. That reduced the share of the nation’s GDP produced by Republican-voting counties to a new low in recent times.

Why does this matter? This economic rift that persists in dividing the nation is a problem because it underscores the near-certainty of both continued clashes between the political parties and continued alienation and misunderstandings.

To start with, the 2020’s sharpened economic divide forecasts gridlock in Congress and between the White House and Senate on the most important issues of economic policy. The problem—as we have witnessed over the past decade and are likely to continue seeing—is not only that Democrats and Republicans disagree on issues of culture, identity, and power, but that they represent radically different swaths of the economy. Democrats represent voters who overwhelmingly reside in the nation’s diverse economic centers, and thus tend to prioritize housing affordability, an improved social safety net, transportation infrastructure, and racial justice. Jobs in blue America also disproportionately rely on national R&D investment, technology leadership, and services exports.

By contrast, Republicans represent an economic base situated in the nation’s struggling small towns and rural areas. Prosperity there remains out of reach for many, and the party sees no reason to consider the priorities and needs of the nation’s metropolitan centers. That is not a scenario for economic consensus or achievement.

At the same time, the results from last week’s election likely underscore fundamental problems of economic alienation and estrangement. Specifically, Trump’s anti-establishment appeal suggests that a sizable portion of the country continues to feel little connection to the nation’s core economic enterprises, and chose to channel that animosity into a candidate who promised not to build up all parts of the country, but rather to vilify groups who didn’t resemble his base.

If this pattern continues—with one party aiming to confront the challenges at top of mind for a majority of Americans, and the other continuing to stoke the hostility and indignation held by a significant minority—it will be a recipe not only for more gridlock and ineffective governance, but also for economic harm to nearly all people and places. In light of the desperate need for a broad, historic recovery from the economic damage of the COVID-19 pandemic, a continuation of the patterns we’ve seen play out over the past decade would be a particularly unsustainable situation for Americans in communities of all sizes.



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How does it feel to be a proud footsoldier for the exploitative rich elites?

I hope it's a smug satisfaction.
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    Go back to the source you got that statistic from and check to see if it was GDP or GDP per capita.
    • Democratic districts have seen their median household income soar in a decade—from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 in 2018. By contrast, the income level in Republican districts began slightly higher in 2008, but then declined from $55,000 to $53,000.
    • “Blue” territories have seen their productivity climb from $118,000 per worker in 2008 to $139,000 in 2018. Republican-district productivity, by contrast, remains stuck at about $110,000.

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    How does it feel to be a proud footsoldier for the exploitative rich elites?

    I hope it's a smug satisfaction.
    Funny how all the rich people be from hella blue areas. Makes sense tbh 
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    Okay, looking at what oro provided, I misinterpreted your comment. I though you were talking about the GDP of the average blue county vs. the GDP of the average red county, when it was actually the GDP of all blue counties vs. the GDP of all red counties. In that case, what I said doesn't apply.
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    Funny how all the rich people be from hella blue areas. Makes sense tbh
    Everything a Democrat accuses is something they are guilty of. It is axiomatic and apparent.

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    most people travel from surrounding red counties to work in blue counties.
    This true fact is to blue counties' credit.
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    Democrats can't pat themselves on the back enough for being the rich elites.

    Those back-patting sessions must be more intense than an 1800's slave lashing.

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    @oromagi
    This true fact is to blue counties' credit.

    That's a double-edged sword. They are good places to work but abysmal, expensive, crime-ridden places to live in.
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    Democrats can't pat themselves on the back enough for being the rich elites.

    Those back-patting sessions must be more intense than an 1800's slave lashing.
    I was assured by Jeff Bezos' Washington Post that the Democrats are, indeed, for the people and that orange men are bad.

    I'm sure they have patting welts on their backs now

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    --> @n8nrgmi
    I perceive, simply by a map of counties and overlaid political stripe by election results, that democrat counties are laden with heavy industry, mixed with residential, whereas Republican counties are primarily residential with light industry and retail trade. That, in and of itself, explains you GDP comparison. Do you really expect that the corner Mom/Pop grocer has the GDP of GM? Come on, man.
    Well, there are Mom/Pop grocers in both red and blue counties.  The Mom/Pop grocers in blue counties are better off because they have a GM in their county. 

    • Blue counties contribute 40% more per individual to the US economy than red counties. Blue county output has increased 20% since 2008 while red counties flatlined.
    • Share of individuals with college degrees increased 25% since 2008 in BLUE counties.  Flatlined in RED counties.
    • 71% of workers in BLUE counties are in professional and digital services.  Less than 29% in RED counties.
    • BLUE counties no longer hold most of US manufacturing jobs and now only represent 43.6%.
    • BLUE counties also significantly shed much of their agricultural and mining sectors since 2008.
    • BLUE counties overall are 50% non-white, 20% foreign-born.  RED counties are 27% non-white and 8% foreign-born.
    • In short, BLUE counties are better educated, more productive, more technically literate, younger, and richer than RED counties so it makes sense that BLUE counties are rapidly outpacing RED counties in GDP.

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    @Greyparrot
    How does it feel to be a proud footsoldier for the exploitative rich elites?
    It never ceases to amaze me how the party of tax cuts for the rich managed to get their base to think the problem is all those elites on the other side.
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    @Double_R
    It never ceases to amaze me how the party of tax cuts for the rich managed to get their base to think their  problem is all those elites on the other side.
    Every tax bill a Democrat Politician passes is at the discretion of their elite lobby base. Why do you think tax legislation is thousands of pages long filled with select targetted exemptions if this was not the case? Lobbyists write those tax laws, not the politician you voted for.

    Do you really think for a moment Bezos likes being in a blue state cause he likes to be taxed?

    I remember when Ocasio Cortez blew the lid off the whole scam by exposing the exemptions, so Bezos had to walk away from New York.

    At least Cortez isn't bought and paid for by powerful lobbies, so I can respect her for that.
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    @Double_R

    Read that article and tell me how the Democrats are not the party of tax cuts for the rich again.

    I'll wait.

    Maybe all that back-slapping for the elites has left you a little too disoriented to formulate a proper sounding apology for the ultra-rich.
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    @Greyparrot
    Read that article and tell me how the Democrats are not the party of tax cuts for the rich again.
    Seriously? Your article is about how NY and VA competed for a new Amazon headquarters by offering tax breaks that would bring jobs to their state. As much as I disagree with Amazon getting any tax breaks, how does this compare to republicans passing a $2T tax bill for which 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%?