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@oromagi
Our PMs aren’t the exception. Literally every townie said they didn’t have justifications. Cmon man
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@ILikePie5
--> @oromagiI believeyou. Chris does not say that he has a justification, he says the justification is implied.No he literally admitted what he said was in his PM. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5723/post-links/249575
That's a lie. Chris states:"Danielle gave those details and that is the obvious implication I can see, that the reason I am vanilla is because I was held back during my career from achieving my fullest potential. "
Implication means unstated. Chris is specifying that he has no stated justification, just like everybody else.
In fact, I don't think Chris has explicitly stated the implied justification but I guess its something like "you are VANILLA because racism held you back" it makes sense to me and this type of justification seems to match perfectly with all of the PMs that are TOWN verified. Why would you insist that having a briefer PM with less biograpy is more TOWN when you can see for yourself compared to verified TOWN, our PMs are more the exception?Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none. It’s so obvious Chris is the odd one out, out of literally everyone
Here was Speed's biography:
Known as "The Man Who Killed Jim Crow," Charles Hamilton Houston (Speedrace) was a black lawyer who helped play a role in dismantling the Jim Crow laws and helped train future Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshall. Houston played a role in nearly every civil rights case before the Supreme Court between 1930 and Brown v. Board of Education (1954). His brilliant plan to attack and defeat Jim Crow segregation by using the inequality of the “separate but equal” doctrine (from the Supreme Court’s Plessy v. Ferguson decision) as it pertained to public education in the United States was the master stroke that brought about the landmark Brown decision.
Here was yours:
In February of 1956, Charles Gittens (iLikePie5) was sworn in as a special agent, becoming the first African American to serve in the Secret Service agency. His remarkable career included a number of undercover investigations that later became high profile victories. As a special agent, Mr. Gittens protected Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson, as well as Vice President Humphrey, Mrs. Kennedy, and President Johnson’s daughter.
Here was whiteflames:
Most people know about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott that began in 1955, but few know that there were a number of women who refused to give up their seats on the same bus system before Ms. Parks' famous story. One of those women was Claudette Colvin (whiteflame). When she was 15, she refused to move to the back of the bus and give up her seat to a white person — nine months before Rosa Parks did the very same thing. Rosa Parks was a bit older and had the right "image" to use as a symbol of the Civil Rights Movement, but it was often young people that made a lot of headway on the front lines. Claudette Colvin was one of four women plaintiffs in Browder v. Gayle, the court case that successfully overturned bus segregation laws in Montgomery and Alabama.
Whatever gambit you are trying when you say "Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none" is obv false.
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@oromagi
How the hell are you still undecided on this. It’s clear every townie didn’t have a biography/justification besides Chris who is blatantly scum. Even reading behavior he’s been pushy rather than calm and calculative this entire game. It’s so obvious
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@ILikePie5
every townie didn’t have a biography/justification besides Chris who is blatantly scum
this is false. everybody claimed about the same level of justification- unstated but implicit
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@oromagi
That's a lie. Chris states:"Danielle gave those details and that is the obvious implication I can see, that the reason I am vanilla is because I was held back during my career from achieving my fullest potential. "Implication means unstated. Chris is specifying that he has no stated justification, just like everybody else.
That makes no freakin sense. How tf does Danielle give that that detail but it’s magically implied. Do you have any idea what you’re even saying dude. If it’s implied, how does Danielle give him that detail?
Whatever gambit you are trying when you say "Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none" is obv false.
You retard. The biographies are obviously posted after the person is dead. Speed said he had no justification, so was he lying cause because arguing in Brown v Board is literally justification for Lawyer.
Is Pie lying because being a Secret Service Agent for the Presidents is literally a justification for Elite Bodyguard.
In what realm do those 2 people lie about not having a justification if that’s literally in their PM. The only logical reason is that the biographies are revealed post death. Only Chris has a biography when he’s alive. ChocoPie, Supa, and you don’t.
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@oromagi
this is false. everybody claimed about the same level of justification- unstated but implicit
Read the biographies of Speed and Pie and tell if that’s literally not an explicit justification. Use your fuckin brain you dumbass
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@Danielle
This game will clearly be a draw. I suggest we replace both Supa and Oro with two other players who read the DPs and decide how to proceed
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@Vader
Go back and read bringerofrain's sus on Chris starting about post #80
- Right now I think the fact Chris is the only person who has mentioned role justification is problematic and would like to hear thoughts from others.
- Also can we have everyone state whether they have justification for their role or not so we know if Chris made a scum slip.
etc.
Now ask yourself, if Chris and bringer are scum together and Chris has just said he has an implied (unstated) justification before others said the same, would bringer really be bringing that kind of scrutiny down on his scum partner? Particularly when bringer's own role had a pretty obvious implied justification (as do most town)
MAFIA because "it's unclear if he is more committed to his own status and the status of his group"
Pie is using the same argument as bringer did in DP1, so let's remember that bringer was scum.
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@ILikePie5
Read the biographies of Speed and Pie and tell if that’s literally not an explicit justification.
Now you admit that TOWN has biographies. Remember six posts ago when you said:
"Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none"
One of you is lying.
Read the biographies of Speed and Pie and tell if that’s literally not an explicit justification.
I just reposted them. All are implicit justification, Danielle never says, "therefore, you are Charles Gittens" the connection is just implicit by obvious juxtapositions.
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@oromagi
Go back and read bringerofrain's sus on Chris starting about post #80
- Right now I think the fact Chris is the only person who has mentioned role justification is problematic and would like to hear thoughts from others.
- Also can we have everyone state whether they have justification for their role or not so we know if Chris made a scum slip.
etc.Now ask yourself, if Chris and bringer are scum together and Chris has just said he has an implied (unstated) justification before others said the same, would bringer really be bringing that kind of scrutiny down on his scum partner? Particularly when bringer's own role had a pretty obvious implied justification (as do most town)
All of this is possible if they were planning on bussing. You’re purposefully ignoring the empirical evidence that players while alive did not have biographies/justifications, but after they died they did. Chris is the only person who says that Danielle detailed this, which means she said it in his PM. This didn’t happen for any other townie.
MAFIA because "it's unclear if he is more committed to his own status and the status of his group"Pie is using the same argument as bringer did in DP1, so let's remember that bringer was scum.
You’re making zero sense. I hope when this game ends the entire mafia community shames you into never playing mafia ever again. Utterly retarded
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@oromagi
Now you admit that TOWN has biographies. Remember six posts ago when you said:"Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none"One of you is lying.
WHEN THEY ARE FUCKING ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just reposted them. All are implicit justification, Danielle never says, "therefore, you are Charles Gittens" the connection is just implicit by obvious juxtapositions.
You’re actually retarded if you think that’s implicit.
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@ILikePie5
. You’re purposefully ignoring the empirical evidence that players while alive did not have biographies/justifications, but after they died they did. Chris is the only person who says that Danielle detailed this, which means she said it in his PM. This didn’t happen for any other townie.
so now you are arguing that the PM's danielle printed post-mortem are different from the PMs each player received? Is that even legal? Have you ever seen that in a game before because I haven't. Can you cite an example?
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@oromagi
so now you are arguing that the PM's danielle printed post-mortem are different from the PMs each player received? Is that even legal? Have you ever seen that in a game before because I haven't. Can you cite an example?
Yes that’s literally what I’ve been screaming you for hours now. Danielle is weird, but she did because it’s literally consistent with Pie and Speed’s post saying they have no justification
Implicit (not comparable)
- Implied indirectly, without being directly expressed
- Contained in the essential nature of something but not openly shown
explicit
- Very specific, clear, or detailed.
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@oromagi
Do you and Supa agree to be replaced so we can end this game?
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@oromagi
You should never play another game again. This was literally spoon fed to you
Hi I'm back... So I have a few additional things to point out as well.
- If I'm the godfather why would Bringer spend the entire DP1 trying to bus me? I would be our most powerful role by far. It would be idiotic.
- My PM wasn't terribly lengthy like the ones Danielle has put up post mortem so maybe she was planning on adding to it. It mentioned who I was and the couple facts about me I mentioned.
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@oromagi
I have nothing as a VANILLA. Whiteflame as a VANILLA said he had nothing. No justification he said. You and Pie are PR and you had implicit. I know I am vanilla him having an implicit justification doesn't line up. He could've thought that everyone had a justification after vanilla and went with that
At this point I'd settle for a VTNL if Oro can use his watcher role effectively.
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@MisterChris
Wifom
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@Vader
Sure, WIFOM until you get your Godfather lynched and lose the game.
I know I wouldn't support it if I were on the scum team.
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@MisterChris
At this point I'd settle for a VTNL if Oro can use his watcher role effectively.
Supa is the only person Oro watches and that means you can’t kill Supa. Meaning there won’t be an NK. You can cut the act
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@oromagi
Because my PM has nothing. No implicit and explicit. It says I am Marcia P. Johnson. I am vanilla townie.
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@MisterChris
Are your fine with replacing Supa and Oro so this game doesn’t end in a draw?
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@Vader
Because my PM has nothing. No implicit and explicit. It says I am Marcia P. Johnson. I am vanilla townie.
Exactly just like how Pie said he has no justification but is obvious why he’s the role he is. A simple google search would reveal Gittens was a Secret Service Agent
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@ILikePie5
If oromagi isn't going to vote for Chris I'm just gonna end up voting for you. Even if someone replaces me, it could be the same cycle.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know who Oro should target and I don't think it's our place to tell him. You're unpredictable with who you NK and I want to keep his movements similarly unpredictable.
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@MisterChris
I don't know who Oro should target and I don't think it's our place to tell him. You're unpredictable with who you NK and I want to keep his movements similarly unpredictable.
So tou don’t want a confirmed townie watcher watching a confirmed townie?
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@Vader
If oromagi isn't going to vote for Chris I'm just gonna end up voting for you. Even if someone replaces me, it could be the same cycle.
Nah cause everyone else won’t be a dumb as Oro. Replace you and Oro so it’s fair. Don’t hammer me when you know I’m town
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@oromagi
Chris says he doesn’t know who you should watch after he says you and Supa are confirmed townies.