School systems should include LBTQ+ topics in their history and sex education

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@sadolite
.... you are factually incorrect, lmao
"Linguists rely on systematic sound changes to establish the relationships between languages. The basic idea is that when a change occurs within a speech community, it gets diffused across the entire community of speakers of the language. If, however, the communities have split and are no longer in contact, a change that happens in one community does not get diffused to the other community. Thus a change that happened between early and late Latin would show up in all the 'daughter' languages of Latin, but once the late Latin speakers of the Iberian peninsula were no longer in regular contact with other late Latin speakers, a change that happened there would not spread to the other communities. Languages that share innovations are considered to have shared a common history apart from other languages, and are put on the same branch of the language family tree."
"Yes, and so is every other human language! Language is always changing, evolving, and adapting to the needs of its users. This isn't a bad thing; if English hadn't changed since, say, 1950, we wouldn't have words to refer to modems, fax machines, or cable TV. As long as the needs of language users continue to change, so will the language. The change is so slow that from year to year we hardly notice it, except to grumble every so often about the ‘poor English’ being used by the younger generation! However, reading Shakespeare's writings from the sixteenth century can be difficult. If you go back a couple more centuries, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales are very tough sledding, and if you went back another 500 years to try to read Beowulf, it would be like reading a different language."

You have anything else dear?
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Probably the things which are dependent on something else making and programming them - I mean, depending on how technology advances (we've seen drastic rebounds before), it could totally humans. But also, lmao, that's not what I was referring to  -you said "opinions and ideas" about my evidence, which is false, its evidence of a proposition. 

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I believe that a school sex education course can help address many global issues and fill teenagers' gaps in sexuality education. But if there is no sex education course at school, the parents should take on this role. They should explain everything from the biological, contraceptive, and pregnancy measures to the politics of consent. It is important to build an open dialogue with trust and without shyness. My classmate's father called him an escort girl from https://www.citybutterflies.com/ for his coming of age, although I don't think that should take the place of an educational talk.
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Meanwhile, some "parents" just tells children bullshit.

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School systems should include LBTQ+ topics in their history and sex education
No. 

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Yes
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This is a pretty good take, yeah.
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It depends which of the LGBTQ+ facet you are teaching. Homosexuality is studied enough for us to know that it is not socitally influenced. I would argue that transgenderism, on the other hand, is largely influenced by social circumstances, evidenced by the fact that teen girls are 4000% times more likely to transition than any other population. 
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But even so I don't know why you would teach homosexuality - we live in a society such that it is already largely accepted. Such would be akin to teacher inter-racial marriage - it's not that it's not important, just that it's a personal/innate characteristic and not really something that needs to be learned. 
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There are a lot of untaught things that need to be taught, misconceptions, and just the science in general. "Transgenderism"  and homosexuality are influenced by society, as are all experiential identities - doesn't make it bad, doesn't make it a choice to be that.  
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Being homosexual or bisexual is very likely to have some cultural influences. We actually know more genes linked to transgenderism than homosexuality. Do you have any sources to quantify your claim that we're certain with 100% accuracy  that homosexuality is fully biological? I can't seem to find them for the life of me. You should give epigenetics a google. 
 

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Would you like to have a debate on whether trans women are women?
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@Ehyeh
Being homosexual or bisexual is very likely to have some cultural influences.
I'm sure there is some societal influence, but I would say that the influence is acute and negligible. 

Do you have any sources to quantify your claim that we're certain with 100% accuracy  that homosexuality is fully biological?


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I've actually opened this link before. For some strange reason, I can't seem to find much of anything on the site! It's also a blog, not a scientific source. I'm unsure how negligible it will be. It seems the science says men are less culturally predisposed to changing sexuality through culture than women are. Women are much more flexible in changing their sexuality through culture. As with everything, I think it exists on a spectrum. Some are more prone to cultural influences, for others it is much more innate. Some who are gay would have been born that way, some I don't think would have been. Although it could be argued that culture is simply epigenetics (strong argument). I actually used that argument against you in your debate with Nyx, in the comment section. Culture is simply genetics changing themselves, or turning on and off. I think its rather safe to say some people feel gay/trans who wouldn't feel that way in a different (more sexually oppressive) time period.
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@Bones
I read most of the info at the blog post. A common theme in not only sexuality and relationships, but other areas of learning, are all still environmental more than genetics. 
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No need to debate, they are.
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@Bones
.... did... you actually READ that article?

Your environment affects your sexual and romantic relationships.
In fact, it even makes a point to say that biology can't be the only explanation... 
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Considering the fact that many people disagree, even within the philosophical community, it isn't so simple as "they are." Prove me wrong. I believe there were many points and arguments that could have been made in your previous transgender debate that weren't made and would/could make you think much harder on the position.
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You seem far too prideful in your positions, that will ensure you start losing sooner or later. It shows an unwillingness to learn, to hear out another viewpoint. You will become stagnant and fall behind those with a more open mind through your dogmatic pride. I recommend you Spend some time pondering if you truly think you've found the complete truth.
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@Theweakeredge
No need to debate, they are.
I would also be interested in debating you regarding this topic, as I am highly dubious that trans women are women. But as Ehyeh asked first, do as you wish. 
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He doesn't want the smoke bones, he senses we have the The Voynich Manuscript on transgenderism.
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Im willing to learn - from experts and people who aren't gonna' do devil's advocates position. Have you considered your the arrogant one for assuming you have something to teach? Do you think because i haven't heard an argument in one debate server I've never heard it before? You reek of condescension. 
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@Bones
thats nice. I would say im beyond arguing such basic facts but i did accept that debate with Mall... well i say "debate". The fact of the matter is that i really don't want to do that. Not gonna' get into it to personally, but the type of beliefs you hold have hurt people I care about.... to an extreme degree, so no, I don't really like debating the subject. Since you were a bit more polite than our other friend, you get an explanation.
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"Have you considered your the arrogant one for assuming you have something to teach? Do you think because i haven't heard an argument in one debate server I've never heard it before? "
 
I never claimed to have anything to teach, I simply posited that I can assure you these are going to be things you haven't considered within the domain of the transgender debate. Whether it is me, bones, or someone else, you will one day lose on the topic. Although I would be very surprised if you have been exposed to the arguments I will use against you, I couldn't fathom how you could still so strongly believe in transgenderism if they had been brought to your attention. Enlighten me!
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Considering the fact you would rather debate an expert (appeal to authority), my arguments will be inspired by someone far more knowledgeable than me within the domains of gender.

 people who aren't gonna' do devil's advocates position
Devils advocate? Although I cannot say that transgender people are not the gender they identify with (there may be arguments I haven't considered), it is quite unlikely they are. Wouldn't it be satisfying to prove this condescending individual wrong? I know I would find it that way. You can do it. Take the debate. It's a win-win for you. I'm a 20% win rate debater, you see. You get to prove a condescending fool wrong while enlightening others and proving the truth of the transgender ideology to those who may not have previously agreed. Isn't that worthwhile? I'm a clown, you beat me any day of the week.
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If you refuse to debate the topic and disdain those that do so because "it hurts people," then you're just a holy person. You're no different than the religious. You decide to have faith in a position so as to feel comfort. I think you arguing for determinism hurts people (studies prove it) yet that doesn't mean i think it shouldn't be debated.
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@Ehyeh
did you read the post above this one...
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I don't think it's a "basic fact" that transgender individual are the gender which they identify. I'm curious as to which particular view you are referring to which have hurt people to an extreme degree because obviously, that is not my intention when I debate, I try to pursue truth.

Also, that's fine that you don't want to debate. 
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Fair enough. If you don't want to debate it, I understand. Sorry if I was rude, since it was obvious to me you don't actually want to debate the topic, I thought I may have to try and get you to want to do it through some other method. Sorry for my insolent behaviour, sir.

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School systems should include LBTQ+ topics in their history and sex education
Parents should decide what their children needs to know outside of the basic school curriculum.

Parents know more about their child’s sexual orientation and cultural background.

Teaching children about past mistakes as history does only develops preconceptions about the past. Children need to be taught how to deal with their future which they are responsible for.
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Gender Identity Disorder should have remained just that, a disorder and clearly classified as a mental one at that. 
The liberal left has destroyed the integrity of the sciences with wishful thinking premised upon individual subjectively based emotive findings that have no relevance across the mass spectrum of homo sapiens. 
Those suffering from GID have been less than 0.05% of the population for a reason, it is abnormal to the procreative evolutionary basis of homo sapiens. 
None of it, any of it, should ever be taught let alone tolerated amongst adults peddling (i.e., grooming) that crap to children. It's pure child abuse. Period. Fact. Period.

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It looks like the wet dream of some progressive lefty. No, you shouldnt allow that because these are parent's duties and you cannot interfere with what parents teach their children.