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@3RU7AL
Exactly so why do you bring up life as an argument?
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@Tarik
Exactly so why do you bring up life as an argument?
Because you are alive.
Me too!
I am also alive!
It's something we have in common.
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@3RU7AL
But you and I weren’t the narrative, the narrative was a hypothetical psychopath.
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@Tarik
But you and I weren’t the narrative, the narrative was a hypothetical psychopath.
And, the hypothetical psychopath is ALSO alive.
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@3RU7AL
And, the hypothetical psychopath is ALSO alive.
Not if there without other humans.
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@Tarik
And, the hypothetical psychopath is ALSO alive.Not if there without other humans.
Yes, a hypothetical psychopath cannot survive without other hypothetical people.
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@Tarik
No one involved in the conversation is a nihilist. Unless you are making some argument that someone ought to be and then I would like to know on what grounds?
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@3RU7AL
Yes, a hypothetical psychopath cannot survive without other hypothetical people.
And I’m asking what’s the point of bringing that up unless your trying to argue that we have to live.
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@secularmerlin
No one involved in the conversation is a nihilist.
Boy does this argument sound familiar, I have to ask because I’m genuinely concerned, is going around in a circle a goal for you in this discussion? Because that’s what you started by saying that, do you want me bring back up my previous post that’s responsive to that?
I don't know it feels like we are going around in circles anyway. I think it might be easier to just not concern ourselves with nihilists or psychopaths unless they get a large enough lobby together to effect legislation. Does that sound fair?
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@Tarik
Yes, a hypothetical psychopath cannot survive without other hypothetical people.And I’m asking what’s the point of bringing that up unless your trying to argue that we have to live.
Nobody claims that you have to live.
I'm only acknowledging the fact that in order to participate in this conversation (or any conversation for that matter) you must necessarily be alive (and conscious).
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@secularmerlin
I think it might be easier to just not concern ourselves with nihilists or psychopaths unless they get a large enough lobby together to effect legislation.
Are you talking about corporations?
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@secularmerlin
No one involved in the conversation is a nihilist.
(IFF) "nihilist" = someone who subscribes to "subjective morality" (THEN) I am a "nihilist"
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@secularmerlin
No, and my reason why is something that I’ve stressed many times so let’s see how well you’ve been paying attention, how about you take a guess as to why my answer is no (BTW I plan on giving you the answer regardless just trying to have a little fun here).
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@3RU7AL
I'm only acknowledging the fact that in order to participate in this conversation (or any conversation for that matter) you must necessarily be alive (and conscious).
Yes, and I’m asking so what?
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@Tarik
I'm only acknowledging the fact that in order to participate in this conversation (or any conversation for that matter) you must necessarily be alive (and conscious).Yes, and I’m asking so what?
(IFF) you are capable and willing to participate in this conversation (THEN) you have a "survival instinct" and "social instinct" (AND) this means that you have developed some survival strategy that very likely involves caring about the general welfare of at least one other person
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@3RU7AL
For the second time partakers in this discussion isn’t the narrative, the narrative was a hypothetical psychopath, you keep trying to draw a connection that doesn’t exist.
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@Tarik
why my answer is no
Is it because you have no idea how to make your point without setting up a false dichotomy between a psychotic nihilist and your personally preferred belief in morality which you still haven't fully explained?
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@secularmerlin
How is it a false dichotomy?
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@Tarik
A dichotomy is only a true dichotomy if there is no possible third option. Since it is possible to not believe in objective morality and also not be a psychotic nihilist there must exist at least a third option.
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@Tarik
For the second time partakers in this discussion isn’t the narrative, the narrative was a hypothetical psychopath, you keep trying to draw a connection that doesn’t exist.
(IFF) you are capable of participation in this conversation (THEN) you have a "survival instinct" and "social instinct" (AND) this means that you have developed some survival strategy that very likely involves caring about the general welfare of at least one other person
This statement does not exclude a hypothetical psychopath.
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@secularmerlin
Since it is possible to not believe in objective morality and also not be a psychotic nihilist there must exist at least a third option.
That “option” means nothing if you can’t validate, and you’ve yet to validate whatever it is you believe.
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@3RU7AL
this means that you have developed some survival strategy that very likely involves caring about the general welfare of at least one other person
How so? The only conclusion I drew from that is you care about yourself.
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@Tarik
Since it is possible to not believe in objective morality and also not be a psychotic nihilist there must exist at least a third option.That “option” means nothing if you can’t validate, and you’ve yet to validate whatever it is you believe.
Do you believe it is possible to be a moral person when the specific details of an "objective moral code" are unknown?
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@Tarik
this means that you have developed some survival strategy that very likely involves caring about the general welfare of at least one other personHow so? The only conclusion I drew from that is you care about yourself.
Because I care about myself, I must necessarily care about the other people that are integral to my wellbeing.
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@3RU7AL
you have a "survival instinct" and "social instinct"
So what about suicidal antisocial people?
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@Tarik
you have a "survival instinct" and "social instinct"So what about suicidal antisocial people?
The "suicidal" people are desperate for human attention.
And the "antisocial" people are desperate for human attention (even "negative" attention).
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@3RU7AL
The "suicidal" people are desperate for human attention.
Don’t generalize, you can’t possibly know every single case.
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@Tarik
The "suicidal" people are desperate for human attention.Don’t generalize, you can’t possibly know every single case.
What's your personally preferred theory of the contributing factors that lead to "suicidal tendencies"?