Who here supports political compass as the best online political alignment test?

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There's many flaws with it but I've seen three avid fans of it recently post demands for another user (one was me being asked by 3RU7AL) to take it and reveal the result.

I went into depth on the general types of flaws that are consistent in the test but I'm willing to lay out each flawed question as well as to Kritik auth vs lib being a flawed scale itself since one can be auth on one issue and lib on another while in between on another with a consistent outlook despite inconsistent authoritarianism vs libertarianism.

Who here likes this test a lot?


The test is found here: https://www.politicalcompass.org
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It isn't the best, but it is the most convenient.
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I am a Chinese who wants to make money, and somehow I get this
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@RationalMadman
It definitely has a lot of flaws in it. Many of the questions are poorly phrased, and it really needs a "Neither Agree or Disagree" option. Some of the questions are about rather obscure issues that a lot of people, myself included, don't know much about. It does give a general idea of where I am on the political scale, but I don't think it's terribly accurate. My own results have varied from (4, -1) to (6.5, -2.05).
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This polticalcompass begins its test, and continues through many questions that allegedly innocently, just like most media political polls, does not have unbiased questions. What does it mean, "If economic globalization is inevitable?" It assumes there is no other option, and proceeds to ask if one agrees or disagrees. Yeah, I disagree that it is inevitable, but that's not what the question asks. 

Further: "Our race has many superior qualities..." Dumb question when biology has demonstrated that at that level, genetics does not define any race. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

Still further: "Military action that violates international law..." As if international law [under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court] had a worldwide jurisdiction. It doesn't. Example: The U.S.A. is not a member.

Those are just from page 1 of the test. Since I answered no question, it will not let me go further. 3 of 7 biased questions is not a good ratio, and I suspect the rest is just as biased. Therefore: my opinion; any test that asks that many biased questions about my politics does not want to gage my politics; it wants to channel it. Sorry, I don't play stupid games.


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Sorry, I don't play stupid games.
Liberal in this case being synonymous with stupid.
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I don't buy that the left is all liberal anymore. It may have been at one time, but the left has clearly splintered: liberal / progressive / socialist/communist. I've always thought liberals - damn few of them left, a mere, literal handful - could think rationally and had valid, if different approaches than conservatives. The rest are group-think junkies without an original idea from any of them. Joe Biden is an anomoly because, while really a liberal, he never had an original idea in his head. He's just plain dumb regardless of politics.

That said, conservatives have splintered, too. Liz Cheney, for example,  is a neo-Con dolt, like most never-Trumpers. And then there are Rino's, like McCain was, and his daughter. Worthless. Romney isn't either one; he's really a Dem who just thinks he's Con, but has never acted like a Con. To me, a true Con is a strict originalist, who understands the Constitution in its 18th century syntax, which is not 21st by any means.  Most people, D and R, think oof the Constitution as a cafeteria: choose this, ignore that, and anything is malleable. I don't consider myself a die-hard Trumpie; but he was massively better than any Dem alternative and most R alternatives, certainly better and more consistent than Biden will ever demonstrate, even if he lasts longer than 100 days.
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No argument from me. If your policies are bad for the country and detrimental to society, what does your label matter? 
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The best test of one's political alignment is a free and fair election.
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@fauxlaw
I don't buy that the left is all liberal anymore. It may have been at one time, but the left has clearly splintered: liberal / progressive / socialist/communist. I've always thought liberals - damn few of them left, a mere, literal handful - could think rationally and had valid, if different approaches than conservatives. The rest are group-think junkies without an original idea from any of them. Joe Biden is an anomoly because, while really a liberal, he never had an original idea in his head. He's just plain dumb regardless of politics.

That said, conservatives have splintered, too. Liz Cheney, for example,  is a neo-Con dolt, like most never-Trumpers. And then there are Rino's, like McCain was, and his daughter. Worthless. Romney isn't either one; he's really a Dem who just thinks he's Con, but has never acted like a Con. To me, a true Con is a strict originalist, who understands the Constitution in its 18th century syntax, which is not 21st by any means.  Most people, D and R, think oof the Constitution as a cafeteria: choose this, ignore that, and anything is malleable. I don't consider myself a die-hard Trumpie; but he was massively better than any Dem alternative and most R alternatives, certainly better and more consistent than Biden will ever demonstrate, even if he lasts longer than 100 days.
The delusion that Republicans in 2020 represent any kind of Conservatism is well refuted by fauxlaw's post here. 

Bush/Cheney, McCain, Romney are now all unacceptably to the LEFT of core Republicanism now, essentially rejecting the entire GOP platform since Nixon out of preference for naked Monarchism just so long as their king keeps taxes and black people down.  Remember when neo-Cons represented the extreme right wing of the GOP?  That was as recently as what, 2014?

What did Liz Cheney do to merit the contempt of  core Republicanism except summarize the plain truth?

"The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

There no ambiguity to Cheney's statement.  We all witnessed Trump's cowardice on live TV just weeks ago.  Republicans can't defend Trump's cop-killer despotism so they attack Cheney for daring to criticize Trump's cop-killer despotism. T he trouble with autocrats is that the oath of fealty you swear to one will always be your last.  Once you tear down the Star's and Stripes and put up a Trump flag, you must expect to share that loser's deposition.

The majority of Americans just elected a man whose been running on the same platform for 50 years but we're supposed to pretend that the terrorist lynch mob comprised of the least educated, most gullible rump of white masculine self-pity trying to overthrow that political stalwart are somehow the true conservatives?   

Nope.
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Sadly, the Republican party has become the party of Trump. From a certain point of view, Cheney, McCain, and Romney are (or were in McCain's case) RINOs because they are genuinely conservative, and the Republican party is not.
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It's a good easy, rough test of ideology when there are no mainstream candidates to vote on.
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What words, exactly, did Trump say to cause insurrection? "Fight?" Look up the numbers of Democrats, Biden to Waters, Pelosi to Schoofly, who have used that word to encourage their followers. Are they any less insurrectionists than Trump saying it? Trump told them to go "peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol to let their voices be heard." Is that insurrectionists when Waters, saying, "You got to get in their faces," and saying she "will put down Trump tonight!" is not insurrectionist, and Pelosi says "we have arrows in our quiver and we will use them?" It cuts both ways, my friend, or not at all. Shall we impeach them all?

Besides, anyone who is weak enough to let words drive them to violence and destruction has not a backbone and no self-control. Words do not incite unless we're too weak to let them bounce of the ears. Argue for your limitations, they're yours.
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And the Democrat party is no longer just liberal; there are damn few of them left. They are progressives and socialist/communists. This splintering has affected both parties. That Biden is attempting to be all things to all Dems will end by his appeasing no one. At least Trump was openly critical to those in the  party who opposed him..
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@fauxlaw
While the Democratic Party is getting increasingly progressive, I think you underestimate how many liberals are left in it.
That Biden is attempting to be all things to all Dems will end by his appeasing no one.
Probably not completely, but I think all he has to do to appease them at least partially is to not be Trump.
At least Trump was openly critical to those in the  party who opposed him.
Since his criticism was solely in the form of childish insults, that's not an advantage.
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What words, exactly, did Trump say to cause insurrection?
This is more than a month after Trump's lawyers advised him that there was little evidence of election fraud and therefore no possibility  of winning the election:
vanity fair:
“No, it’s not over,” Trump told Kilmeade. “We keep going, and we’re going to continue to go forward. We have numerous local cases. We’re, you know, in some of the states that got rigged and robbed from us. We won every one of them. We won Pennsylvania. We won Michigan. We won Georgia by a lot.” Asked by Kilmeade how he plans to overturn the election results before Congress meets on January 6 to officially count all of the Electoral College votes, Trump said, “We’re going to speed it up as much as we can, but you can only go so fast. They give us very little time.” Later, he repeated his argument that because bookies thought he was going to win at one point, he should get to serve a second term:
When Kilmeade seemingly attempted to do journalism, noting the concerns that Trump is doing major damage to the country by attempting to cry fraud, the president said, shockingly, that he doesn’t share those concerns. “I worry about the country having an illegitimate president,” he said. “That’s what I worry about. A president that lost and lost badly. This wasn’t, like, a close election…. I didn’t lose. The election was rigged.”
I could provide perhaps as many as a hundred similar treasonous, self-serving attacks on America's most vital mechanism: the free and fair election. 

Besides, Cheney did not fault Trump for his words.  She faulted Trump for his conduct:

"The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."


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Liz Cheney is a dead woman walking. Trump is personally going to Wyoming to destroy her career
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What words, exactly, did Trump say to cause insurrection? "Fight?" Look up the numbers of Democrats, Biden to Waters, Pelosi to Schoofly, who have used that word to encourage their followers. Are they any less insurrectionists than Trump saying it? Trump told them to go "peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol to let their voices be heard." Is that insurrectionists when Waters, saying, "You got to get in their faces," and saying she "will put down Trump tonight!" is not insurrectionist, and Pelosi says "we have arrows in our quiver and we will use them?" It cuts both ways, my friend, or not at all. Shall we impeach them all?

Besides, anyone who is weak enough to let words drive them to violence and destruction has not a backbone and no self-control. Words do not incite unless we're too weak to let them bounce of the ears. Argue for your limitations, they're yours.
The primary reason for motivation of the rioters was the fervent belief that the election was stolen. After-all, if you felt that your supposed democratic elections had been usurped and that the last means of legal defence, the court, had failed, violence is hardly an unsurprising result.

Since Trump was the primary and most authoritative peddler of the election was stolen conspiracy theory, it's fair to lay the blame at his feet.
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Nope, not me.

Just someone else trying to tell you what to think, Big Bro.
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Have an original thought? That one's been thunk to death
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As it turns out, unoriginal questions have unoriginal answers. 
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No, when the answer is already premature efactulation, the question is unnecessary
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I don't buy that the left is all liberal anymore.
Biden is actually to the right of Trump on the chart. [LINK]
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It's a good easy, rough test of ideology when there are no mainstream candidates to vote on.
Yep.

If anyone finds a better one, please let me know.
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I've found several, one of which I recently linked to. I can tell you others if you'd like but I predict you'll say they're all inferior due to confirmation bias 
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The best test of one's political alignment is a free and fair election.
IMPLEMENT AUTOMATIC REDISTRICTING.

END PRIMARY ELECTIONS.

WE MUST DEMAND RCV.
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This polticalcompass begins its test, and continues through many questions that allegedly innocently, just like most media political polls, does not have unbiased questions.
Please let me know if you find a better test.
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I've found several, one of which I recently linked to. I can tell you others if you'd like but I predict you'll say they're all inferior due to confirmation bias 
The test you seem to prefer scores us identically.

And yet, we do not seem to have identical political beliefs.

This highlights a shocking lack of precision.
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Who's chart? What makes this chart authoritative.
A sideline to demonstrate non-authoritative status; relative to the authoritarian v. libertarian scale, Trump is more auth. than Biden, yet who has more EO's issued at two weeks into their admin? Trump? Big Nope.
So how valid is this chart? Sucks comes to. mind. Where does the creator of the chart sit on the bias scale, huh?
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I'm not suggesting this particular chart is (magically) "OBJECTIVE".

What I'm asking you for is a BETTER chart.

What do you personally believe is the most accurate measure of your political beliefs?