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@Lunatic
the only person you will be able to get to vote for oro is going to be supadudz probably
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unvote, vtl oro.
Supa seems the better option here, but as long we we lynch him tomorrow if oro flips town I suppose it doesn't matter. Also hated townie with miller is bugging me, has since the beginning.
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@Lunatic
it's fine one or the other..if supa really is scum then he will stall for a no lynch likely while speed runs in circles. my bet is supa is town while reese is not tho, just looking at behavior.
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@Greyparrot
it's fine one or the other..if supa really is scum then he will stall for a no lynch likely while speed runs in circles. my bet is supa is town while reese is not tho, just looking at behavior.
Not sure they could stall for a no lynch at that point, if theres 2 scum left. If we mislynch here and there's a successful night kill than that means it's lylo tomorrow unless speed were to properly protect; Assuming he is doctor and didn't forfeit. I still tenatively believe him as town now, but speed would big brain something like this. Always gotta stay on your toes with him.
checking in before i go to sleep
the issue is with supa being scum, is that oro can't be scum. And I think oro has to be scum based on there not being a cop. I'm trying to think of a world where miller would exist without a cop and I just can't see it.
If oro flips miller, I'm literally dumbfucked
Not lying in the back of my head im super paranoid about speed being scum and doing some big brain shit but I don't see it behaviorally.
I literally don't see how supa could be
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@Elminster
You're probably safe atm since the only person that can hammer you is WF, and I doubt WF wants to ride that scumtrain.
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@MisterChris
@Elminster
I retract my vote on Elminster.
You better have a good reason next time you vote for me.
VOTE COUNT:
Intelligence_06 [Elminster] (3/5) - Speedrace, SupaDudz, oromagi
Speedrace (1/5) - Elminster,
SupaDudz (1/5) - Lunatic
Oromagi (2/5) - Whiteflame, Greyparrot
Alright, having had some time to think about it, I still think a lynch on Oro is the best path forward.
If Oro flips town Miller, we'll have confirmed that there must be a Cop, which would basically confirm that either Supa or Elm are scum. At that stage, we should have enough information to be able to make a call on Supa based on who he watches during this NP. Depending on how he chooses to reveal his results in the next DP, we either lynch him or Elm.
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@whiteflame
If Oro flips town Miller, we'll have confirmed that there must be a Cop, which would basically confirm that either Supa or Elm are scum.
:(
If we do that, everyone will pile on Supa, and then we'll lose. We know it HAS to be Mikal or Oro based on balance, but if we don't get Mikal here then everyone will pile on Supa tomorrow and that's a loss, assuming 2 more maf members
Reminder: Oro claimed Miller off the bat, Mikal has been acting scummy this entire time and changed his claim from sensor to even-night sensor
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@Reece101
Pls vote Mikal, we need you to lynch him?
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@Speedrace
Like I said earlier, it's almost certainly either Mikal or Oro. If Oro flips town, I'd be more inclined to immediately sus Mikal than to sus Supa, simply because having a Cop, Doc and Sensor seems a lot less likely than Cop, Doc, Watcher just by virtue of how much it slants things in favor of town. Supa would have a chance to prove himself. If he does, then Mikal would be the lynch.
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@whiteflame
Let's see how Reece would vote first. We'll need 4 votes for Mikal next DP. Mikal, GP, and Luna will all vote Supa. We need to see where Reece will swing before rushing into this
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@whiteflame
Like I said earlier, it's almost certainly either Mikal or Oro.
My point here is, based on balance and game mechanics we have equal sus on Mikal and Oro. But Mikal has acted scummy, Oro hasn't. Besides that, miller is almost always a townie. Thus, that should make us lean Mikal
VOTE COUNT CORRECTION:
Intelligence_06 [Elminster] (3/5) - Speedrace, SupaDudz, oromagi
Oromagi (4/5) - Whiteflame, Greyparrot, Lunatic, Elminster
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@Speedrace
Maybe this is just me doing the whole WIFOM thing, but I'm more concerned about someone who has remained relatively quiet than I am about a potential scum slip. For that matter, while Oro hasn't made any slips, he also hasn't really had to (or been able to) prove anything. As I see it, Supa has the opportunity to vindicate himself in the next DP. That sets us up for a very clear and obvious lynch on Mikal because that sets him apart as the odd man out. Unless we assume that Supa is the Watcher and discovers something about Oro during the NP, we won't get additional information on Oro during this DP. We will get more information from Supa, and I can't see a way that that doesn't make our lynch target an easy choice in DP4.
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@whiteflame
For that matter, while Oro hasn't made any slips, he also hasn't really had to (or been able to) prove anything.
Firstly, I think we can both agree Supa is town, I'm advocating for Mikal's lynch, not Supa's. But secondly, my point is that Mikal has been scummier than Oro and also hasn't proven anything, thus him being scummier should make him the lynch
It's oro or elm. I've said that oro's miller doesn't make sense if there is no cop. Regardless, there is a lot of mindfuckery, and I will not hammer oro yet until i fully read the case and make the most optimal decision
Fyi, I should be town confirmed. If I were scum and knew oro was telling the truth about miller, I would've hammered oromagi right then. I'm going to re-read and make sure
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@Speedrace
Firstly, I think we can both agree Supa is town, I'm advocating for Mikal's lynch, not Supa's. But secondly, my point is that Mikal has been scummier than Oro and also hasn't proven anything, thus him being scummier should make him the lynch
But that's the thing: I see Supa as verifiable. If we can verify his role, then we can also verify that Mikal is scum. I've got my misgivings about Mikal, but I at least see a way to narrow the field and be more certain of that lynch in the next DP. I can't see any way we gain by waiting with Oro.
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@whiteflame
My role doesn't affiliation verify me in anyway
Even so, I have been adament saying that I can not defend myself from a mod mistake that occurred when a mod will not disclose that a mistake will be made. This is not to criticize MisterChris, but if the mod will not verify a mistake was made, there's no way that I can prove a mod mistake was made. That's why I have not been defending myself from that reasoning. However, I've taken Lunatic's strong push on me because of it as scummy
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@Vader
I didn't say your role verified which affiliation you are. I said that we can verify that you are the Watcher. You could be a scum Watcher, even then. That's something I'm still considering.
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@whiteflame
A scum watcher is a Lookout. I'd only be role verified (meaning my role is a Watcher), =/= affiliation
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@Vader
Thanks for clarifying. I already said it wouldn't verify your affiliation.
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@whiteflame
But that's the thing: I see Supa as verifiable. If we can verify his role, then we can also verify that Mikal is scum. I've got my misgivings about Mikal, but I at least see a way to narrow the field and be more certain of that lynch in the next DP. I can't see any way we gain by waiting with Oro.
What does Supa being verifiable have to do with Mikal?
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@Speedrace
...Wasn't a large part of why we're sus of Mikal in the first place the result of there being so many investigatory roles? Having a Sensor plus a Cop, Doc and Watcher seems like a lot to me. We may not have a Cop, but this lynch on Oro would tell us that. Meanwhile, if we can verify the Watcher, I'd have a much harder time believing that we have a Sensor.
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@whiteflame
...Wasn't a large part of why we're sus of Mikal in the first place the result of there being so many investigatory roles?
If Oro is Town, that means there's a cop, so there can't be a Sensor for balance. Likewise, if Mikal is the sensor, there can't be a cop, so there can't be a miller, thus Oro would be scum. So it's either Oro or Mikal, Supa is town no matter what.
Having a Sensor plus a Cop, Doc and Watcher seems like a lot to me. We may not have a Cop, but this lynch on Oro would tell us that. Meanwhile, if we can verify the Watcher, I'd have a much harder time believing that we have a Sensor.
My point is that based on balance, we already know it's Oro or Mikal, so if Mikal somehow flips town, we just lynch Oro next DP. But because Mikal is acting scummy, he's more likely out of the two to be scum
I just woke up. Reading this I'm really hesitant about speed as well. I'm also sure supa is town or at least in my mind behaviorally. What bothers me about speed is instead of being logical, he's on a death tunnel with me.
Because if he believes what he is saying then why not oro then me. Because it would give us a dp4 sensor and is safe no matter what. Instead he's dead set on me no matter what.
I'm starting to wonder if pie was doc and speed janitored his role. I actually buy america that it could be doc but he only claimed it after I pushed him and it's not past him to waive a nk
I still think oro is the best target but I'm super concerned that speed is doing speed stuff