WWII Nations Mafia - DP3

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Alright, I've tried reading through everything to come to an opinion, and my brain is full of bees from both this and a long day. I'll revisit it in the morning, assuming that someone else doesn't decide to hammer.

Far as I'm concerned, since we've been through two DPs in the span of a couple of hours today, I think we can take a moment. 
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@Reece101
Unvote and I'll answer whatever you want.
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@Reece101
Thats called OMGUS. Stands for "oh my god u suck". Its a term used when people vote someone only because they got voted by that person. Its considered weak justification for lynching someone. FOS means "finger of suspicion"
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@Lunatic
CAPTION:

who has contributed nothing this whole phase
IMAGE:

Lunatic, wearing a jumpsuit emblazoned with the logo AJAX CHEMiCALS,  dropping a baby into a dumpster behind the AJAX CHEMiCALS plant.
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@Lunatic
Thats called OMGUS. Stands for "oh my god u suck". Its a term used when people vote someone only because they got voted by that person. Its considered weak justification for lynching someone. FOS means "finger of suspicion"
That’s why you don’t vote for people without good reason because people will start voting you.
Why are you defending his behaviour so fervently?
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@Reece101
That’s why you don’t vote for people without good reason because people will start voting you.
Why are you defending his behaviour so fervently?
If you thought his reason (asking for your claim) wasn't a good reason, then why did you ultimately claim? I am defending Elminster here because night action results implicate supadudz. You are new, so I don't expect you to understand all of this but I'll try to explain.

There are certain roles in this game that do different things to help town, and mafia also have roles that help them. Results from investigative roles are what I am basing the lynching of supadudz off.

Elminster claims to be a sensor. A sensor tells you how many mafia are on a lynch. Elminster says his results indicate that there is 1 mafia on that lynch from yesterday. That means if we find that one mafia member, we know everyone else on that lynch is town. Now he could be lying; but here's why I don't think he is. 

1. Speedrace's action line up with his results. Speedrace is a doctor, and can protect people from being night killed. Last night there was no night kill. Speed claims he doctored himself, which would explain why there was no night kill. This means that speed succesfully protected himself.

2. Now Supa claims to be a watcher. Watcher is another investigative role that can watch a player in the night phase to see if anyone visits them. Night phase 1 he claims to have watched elminster1 who claimed hated townie. This makes no sense from a town perspective, because mafia will never kill hated townie when they can mislynch them. Then to make things worse he claimed to watch speedrace night phase 2 and said that no one visited him. Well considering we know that speedrace protected himself and there was no night kill, we know that's not true. So supa is lying about his results. 

If supadudz is lying about his results, and elminsters results line up with speedraces results, this demonstrates elminster is town and supadudz is scum. Now there are some extremely rare and convienent things that could make it possible for this to have happened the way speed is trying to say he thinks it happened, but it doesn't make sense for him to believe these things over believing simply that a powerful investigation role like sensor doesn't exist on a town. This is called "tunnel vision". It's when a town member is so afraid of being proven wrong that they won't change their mind on something, even when the evidence overwhelmingly suggests opposite to what they believe. Speed may have good intentions, but he is too worried about being embarrassed by admitting he is wrong here. 

Anyways the evidence suggests that supadudz is mafia here. I know you are new and being thrown into the deep end a little bit here, but I will do my best to explain things to you if you have questions.
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This is called "tunnel vision". It's when a town member is so afraid of being proven wrong that they won't change their mind on something, even when the evidence overwhelmingly suggests opposite to what they believe. Speed may have good intentions, but he is too worried about being embarrassed by admitting he is wrong here. 
Lolll Lunatic knows I never tunnel. I'm telling you, lyncher

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@Reece101
Please ignore Lunatic. He only cares about his own personal goals
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@Speedrace
Lolll Lunatic knows I never tunnel. I'm telling you, lyncher
Then why are you doing it now? Funny you keep accusing me of being lyncher, when your the one begging whiteflame to get on and hammer elminster when the day phase literally opened hours ago. What's your rush? 
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It’s interesting you guys aren’t accusing each other.
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Nvm. I was distracted 
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@Reece101
Speedrace won't invest the time to teach you anything about the game; He wants to play on your current bias against elminster for simply voting you. Which means he is trying to use you, don't let him use you. You don't even have to wagon me. If you choose his side I just want you to at least know why what he is saying is ridiculous, and why supa has an overwhelming amount of evidence against him. Speed doesn't care if you understand the reasons, he just wants to see elminster lynched at all costs.
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I’m off for now.

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We are taking like a 10 min break from raid and just catching up. I'm actually convinced speed is town and just tunneling into  the abyss. The luna and speed interaction very likely show they aren't scum together




Thoughts so far

Not scum together from a town poe

Luna Speed
Me Speed
Luna Supa

This is based purely on interactions

Without Reece claiming, I think it's likely he's vanilla and is an experienced player baiting for responses. 

I don't know what else to say beside what i've given. If you guys want to continue to throw and just tunnel in a very stupid way then go ahead. 

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vtl Oro

I think this has to be oro from a town poe. I know there is no cop in the game with me being sensor. Was trying to get reactions to gauge and see. 

I'm not sure what to make of supa but speed is doing his typical towny tunnel stuff that he does when he thinks hes right.


Imo

Scum is luna and oro



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i have to go back to raid but ill fully be on tomorrow around mid day. We usually finish raid at like 1-3 est and i go to sleep right after. If you ignore speeds death tunnel, i think this game is pretty obvious. Luna is all over the place putting votes on anything he can find, and oro can't exist in this game. Miller isthe fake claim they got
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@Elminster
Scum is luna and oro
Me and grey are the only ones in your camp right now with you at l-1 lol. I could hammer you so easily right now. If you are town and genuinely think I am scum you don't think I would just cave here and vote you for a free and easy mislynch? Think dude lol. Also why are you discounting reece? your results mean if their are two scum, the other is me or him if supa and oro dont pan out. 
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Speedrace won't invest the time to teach you anything about the game; He wants to play on your current bias against elminster for simply voting you. Which means he is trying to use you, don't let him use you. You don't even have to wagon me. If you choose his side I just want you to at least know why what he is saying is ridiculous, and why supa has an overwhelming amount of evidence against him. Speed doesn't care if you understand the reasons, he just wants to see elminster lynched at all costs.
LOLLLLLLL
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supa or oro pan out*
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@whiteflame
Gonna log off, but just wanted to say that if Mikal flips town we can lynch Oro next DP
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@Lunatic
in what way could he be scum? 

if hes vanilla like i think he is, then he would have been afk and not have had to submit an action

anyway back tomorrow. Was trying to type a bit but we cant clear e11 so back in for the night
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@Speedrace
How about we don't satisfy your wincon lyncher?
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@Speedrace
LOLLLLLLL
You have the most in depth logical responses I've ever experienced. You must have graduated from the academy of "no u" from the town of "bruh" in the country of "lol"
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@Elminster
Thoughts on oro?
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scum
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@Lunatic
What is your thoughts on a oro/reese team?
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@Elminster
in what way could he be scum? 

if hes vanilla like i think he is, then he would have been afk and not have had to submit an action

anyway back tomorrow. Was trying to type a bit but we cant clear e11 so back in for the night

Dude did you forget your whole argument from dp2? You yourself were the one saying scum would have either submitted the action for him, or he would have submitted it on discord without logging on. Also what if he's goon or his partners made the decision for him. Like what?! Your results implicate him just as much as they do me, assuming their are even 2 scum. 
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@Speedrace
or go oro then go me if hes miller so i can actually get a second use of sensor when he flips scum
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@Greyparrot
What is your thoughts on a oro/reese team?
If one of oro or supa is scum, then elminster is telling the truth. If the game doesn't end after that, than reece has to be scum, because the only two not on the wagon were me you and reece. Considering your backing mikal here, if mikal is town then you have to be town too, so it would have to be reece. But it depends on if elminster is town or not. We already know oro or supa is scum. Honestly I'd prefer supa based on the inconsistent results and the watching hated townie thing, but if oro is the only other wagon peopel can be convinced of I may have to cave here. If oro flips town though, we have to lynch supa tomorrow. 
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@Lunatic
okay lets do that then