Inverse Reality Day Phase 1

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@Vader
I think Speed is trying to desperately grab at straws to try to defend himself. He is now trying to switch what he said so he can change what is claimed to be the theme split of this game.
I have ALWAYS said the theme is bad v good

Everything I said about me starving and me being weak is ALL true. But me being weak is my ROLE JUSTIFICATION, everything else is some random stuff in my pm
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He's absolutely trying to justify the actions. That's no trying to over complicate it. It's literally every role so far and the characters can be easily seen as fitting that mold. Ill write a generic descriptor for an example (not my character )

You are sephiroth. Damn that cloud and avalanche for trying to stop your goals. You've always had the best intent. Sure you want to destroy the world but it's to bring about paradise and ressurect jenova. No one understands you but all you really want is to bring about world unity. You are deathrpoof because you are connected to the life force and can't truly die. 

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@Speedrace
Well, to play the other side. It's inverse mafia and Luna said it's a fairly easy theme, so you are a smart person and probably could pick up on the theme. Only thing that is throwing me off is that you claimed an outlier so quickly 
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@Speedrace
Missed that but changes nothing. Means you just had the fake claim ready at the start and was not sure at the time about each of us possibly being from a different show (which we still don't know is true )


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@Speedrace
I still behaviorally scum read you
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Actually if anything it's worse for you because even if you wanted to risk scar at that point you coudnt lol. 
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VTL Speedrace 
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I also have a horrible time with reading supa as always. He takes other reads and tries to put his on play on them without giving much thought himself. 

Usually this is a town tell from him imo but I don't remember a scum supa other than that live game where he was stumbling all over his words and backtracking. So I think this supa is consistent with his 

"I'm lazy town meta "

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The group thing is a total non-issue. Lunatic had a "group" character in his Dark Crystal mafia. Doesn't lean one way or the other.
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Well... I just spent all of my Saturday morning getting my car looked at... so that was fun.

Part of the problem I'm seeing with all this is that I'm not as sure as the rest of you are regarding what suffices as a justification. In a sense, the hyenas were justified: they were starving and Scar goaded them on with promises of being able to thrive under his leadership. That seems like a justification to me. I'm not going to get into my character, but I will say that mine is justified in a certain light as well. In fact, I'd say the same is true of everyone who has role claimed up to this point. They're not anti-villains (villains who do wrong for the right reasons), but they all do appear to be villains who were pushed to action by circumstances that were beyond their control. Smeagol was goaded by the One Ring and tortured into performing some of his more villainous actions - doesn't mean he was justified, but from a certain light, you could say that he is. Magneto dealt with the Holocaust and the loss of his family and generally fights against anti-mutant sentiments more forcefully than Professor X. It strikes me that the justifications range pretty wildly, so I don't think that should be our basis for lynching Speed.

Honestly, the main reason why I'm sus of his claim is just the fact that it is a group of characters rather than a single one. Seems like an odd choice in general, as does the fact that this set of characters is a bunch of lackeys, whereas all the claims so far (and my own character) aren't necessarily lead villains, but don't fall into the category of minions like the hyenas do. Still reading through more of this before I make a decision.
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The group is one thing but it's also the fact that it's not polarizing. That's the one common thing up to this point. All town players are polarizing
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@Elminster
Town is from different things. Doesn't mean he can't overlap scum. 
No mod has ever done that lol
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@Elminster
Town is from different things. Doesn't mean he can't overlap scum. 
No mod has ever done that lol
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@Speedrace
You mean make a villan theme and use two from the same show. I promise you I could dig up a load on ddo lol 
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Speedrace- 4 /6- Elminster, drafter, supadudz, iLikePie5
iLikePie5- 2 /6- Speedrace, oromagi
Drafter- 1 /6- Greyparrot

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@Elminster
Actually if anything it's worse for you because even if you wanted to risk scar at that point you coudnt lol. 
My point is I wanted to claim Hyenas from the getgo. Why would I do that when Scar was an option lol
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@Elminster
You mean make a villan theme and use two from the same show. I promise you I could dig up a load on ddo lol 
On DART
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Ugh now that I'm reading I'm now starting to think Speed is more town, but his behavior is still scum. He's trying to justify me not being a villain and then backpedals on his logic
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@Speedrace
My bet is you are simba or mufasa and wanted to claim something in the same universe but weren't 100 percent scar would be a safe bet

So you went with something that was super safe. 


I keep asking for an in-depth description about why your character thinks he's doing the right thing and you refuse to give it lol 

I promise you that's a commonality 




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@Vader
Ugh now that I'm reading I'm now starting to think Speed is more town, but his behavior is still scum. He's trying to justify me not being a villain and then backpedals on his logic
Literally no. I said you're not a main antagonist, you're still an antagonist though :|
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@Elminster
My bet is you are simba or mufasa and wanted to claim something in the same universe but weren't 100 percent scar would be a safe bet
That's stupid

I keep asking for an in-depth description about why your character thinks he's doing the right thing and you refuse to give it lol 
I've been saying for 18 years THAT I HAVE NONE
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@whiteflame
Actually can you claim your universe. I want to tie you to this 
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Then you are objectively the outlier 
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@Elminster
Then you are objectively the outlier 
OR, crazy idea, YOUR THEME ANALYSIS IS WRONG
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@Speedrace
When someone else claims something without a justification for why what they are doing is right , I'll entertain it. 

I've asked anyone to just type yes if they had one. 


No one has and every character claimed so far fits that mold or has a justification that confirms that thought. Including mine 

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@Elminster
Actually can you claim your universe. I want to tie you to this 
That would also reveal my character and indicate my role, so I'll have to pass on that.
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@Elminster
No one has and every character claimed so far fits that mold or has a justification that confirms that thought. Including mine 
So why would I, as scum, seeing everyone fitting that, not then mold my character to do the same :|
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****** if you have something that is not at least similar to this , just say me or inform us that you do *******

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You are sephiroth. Damn that cloud and avalanche for trying to stop your goals. You've always had the best intent. Sure you want to destroy the world but it's to bring about paradise and ressurect jenova. No one understands you but all you really want is to bring about world unity. You are deathrpoof because you are connected to the life force and can't truly die. 
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Everyone so far has you are (bad guy). He flips why they are bad and explains how they are morally justified with the actions they did in their universe. You are town 




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If Speed flips town I think I know who one of his partners probably is.
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@Speedrace
You said that for me. You soft claimed already early on and it tied you to it. 


Actually happy you said that because it makes even more sense .