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@Conway
Giuliani is an agent of Trump. That Trump may deny responsibility for the statement by pointing toward the doubt that the agent may have been acting outside the scope of his agency is a pretty slim doubt given how deferent Giuliani has been. This goes directly to what I said - "Probably" - And in that respect it is appropriate.
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Considering that the implication suggests Rudy Giuliani's action was more than "pretty close" to treason, it appears disingenuous not to have mentioned him.  Is the focus on justice or power?  I have my suspicions as well but if you're talking about a coup, it's a very serious allegation to be making.  There were statements made by the president suggesting that his carefully crafted brand would be tarnished in his view, as well as multiple condemnations.
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Hitler rose to power mostly because of the promises he made. Hitler promised that he would make Germany great again or to restore law and order but did not mentioned he was going to try to kill all Jews. When Hitler became powerful, he started rebuilding roads and opening parks and offering more jobs. This made Germany more powerful. Eventually when Germany was powerful enough, they took over Poland then Denmark and so on. Hitler used propaganda to grow hatred in people. The Nazis hung posters saying Jews were secretly demons. Posters depicted Jews as big ugly monsters. He also ordered the Nazis to make posters of Hitler as Germany’s hero. Hitler also staged rallies to show people his army, to make people afraid of the Nazis, and to show Germans how powerful their country became under his rule.

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Lol, police can't do shit.
Your usual Orange Parrot nonsense.  Sad --(

Capital Hill police and do plenty if there confronted with people of color ---USA racsim made obvious via these mostly sic-n-the-head white terrorists---  and/or if they have enough officers to handle any crowd of any color.



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If you understand the relationship between Trump and Giuliani, then you would see that it's doubtful that Giuliani would have said "Lets have trial by combat" without Trump's approval. That statement is attributable to Trump. There is doubt, but not much. Hence "probably" - Which is exactly what I said. Everyone knows who said what and it's easily google-able.
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Capital Hill police and do plenty if there confronted with people of color
Like using non-lethal means to disperse a crowd?

Someone should have informed the woman that died in the Capitol Building that being born with black skin makes you bulletproof to lethal resistance from DC police.
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@drafterman
You ignored the "trial by combat" part. Address that one.
What I ignored were the countless democratic officials and journalists calling for chaos in the streets, non-peacful demonstrations, and the assassination of President Trump. Would you like a YouTube link of video proof? Go find someone else to dump your hypocrisy on you deranged hack. 
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My doubts about what he did constituting treason have to do with whether or not causing an angry mob to attack a federal building constitutes an act of war.
Does causing an angry mob to burn cities, loot businesses, and attack peaceful citizens also constitutes an act of war?

It doesn't seem to be a very warlike thing to me. If they had lots of bombs and guns and had used them, then maybe it would be.
If they wore masks and carried weapons like antifa, would it be?

If you read my prior posts here I made it pretty clear that I don't think arresting and prosecuting Trump is in our national interests because healing and unity is required.
Please. Arresting and prosecuting Trump is NOT in our national interests because Trump has done nothing to be prosecuted for. TDS doesn't serve our interests.

Dispassionate factualism is important to that too. People get lost in echo chambers and are dealing with completely different sets of facts. The truth is the common ground, and if we deny ourselves that then we're never going to be agreeing on much. Look at what you're doing. You're focusing on two statements, ignoring the third, and not considering the whole context.
Like you who are ignoring weeks of antifa burning down cities? A phrase is supposed to be insurrection, but thousands of hoodlums assaulting citizens is what, peaceful?

Trump knew they were angry. Trump knew they believed the election was stolen. Trump sent them to the capitol. What happened was easily foreseeable and Trump didn't seem to take any steps to prevent it. In fact, according to a report from a GoP senator, Trump was "delighted" by what was happening.
When you can face your hypocricy at the left being silent on the BLM/Antifa riots, talk to me. For 4 years Nothing but war words have come from the left, but now you're suddenly aghast at violence? Your hypocrisy makes me sick. Literally. 
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@ethang5
Trump has done nothing to be prosecuted for.
This position is not supported by the evidence. Everything else you said is off topic.

Edit: BTW pretty much everything you said is a bunch of whataboutism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Like, seriously, people have been around the block here. I don't even like BLM. I stated my reasons for that in this debate https://www.debateart.com/debates/2294-black-lives-matter-movement
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@ethang5
You still didn’t address it.

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You still didn’t address it.
Yeah. It's never liberals who should "address" things. The phrase "trial by combat" is not illegal. There is nothing to "address". But if there was, your putrid hypocrisy would have prevented me.

This position is not supported by the evidence. Everything else you said is off topic.
Abject nonsense. Liberals have made every single charge they're making now since Trump took his oath. You would have some credibility if you didn't claim that everything Trump does is a high crime and that there is "evidence" for it. TDS is not evidence.

Trump is not going to jail. It is idiots who think he should, and deranged idiots who think he will.
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Yeah. It's never liberals who should "address" things. The phrase "trial by combat" is not illegal.
So you think it's fine to suggest the outcome of the election should be decided by violence?

There is nothing to "address". But if there was, your putrid hypocrisy would have prevented me.
There was something for you to address, the phrase you conspicuously left out. And you have addressed it, so nothing about me prevented you from doing so. Good job!


This position is not supported by the evidence. Everything else you said is off topic.
Abject nonsense. Liberals have made every single charge they're making now since Trump took his oath. You would have some credibility if you didn't claim that everything Trump does is a high crime and that there is "evidence" for it. TDS is not evidence.
I haven't claimed that everything Trump does is a high crime.
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Yeah. It's never liberals who should "address" things. The phrase "trial by combat" is not illegal.
So you think it's fine to suggest the outcome of the election should be decided by violence?
I'm too old and educated to fall for this liberal trickery. First thing is, election discussion has included war and sport jargon for as long as there have been elections. It is dumb, disingenuous liberal hysteria that call it "violence". Second, if one party uses fraud in an election, then violence may  be warranted sometimes. The U.S. became independent through violence.

There is nothing to "address". But if there was, your putrid hypocrisy would have prevented me.
There was something for you to address, the phrase you conspicuously left out.
It was too stupid to include.

And you have addressed it, so nothing about me prevented you from doing so. Good job!
Lol. You're still dodging your hypocrisy. Not surprising. You said I had not addressed it, then you said I had. All in the space of of a single post. Did you go back and re-read my post?

This position is not supported by the evidence. Everything else you said is off topic.
Abject nonsense. Liberals have made every single charge they're making now since Trump took his oath. You would have some credibility if you didn't claim that everything Trump does is a high crime and that there is "evidence" for it. TDS is not evidence.
I haven't claimed that everything Trump does is a high crime.

I haven't claimed that everything Trump does is a high crime.
You are a hypocrite. You know you are. I will not banter with you about it, especially as your dishonesty will cause you to avoid questions. You are intelligent, and liberal people like you think intelligence means you can't be morally reprobate. Your hypocrisy is toxic, and it pollutes every virtue you may have.

As I said, when you can face your hypocrisy, let me know. Right now, I have to go puke.
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I'm too old and educated to fall for this liberal trickery. First thing is, election discussion has included war and sport jargon for as long as there have been elections.
In those cases the war/sports jargon are metaphors for existing legal, political processes. For example "winning the battleground states" means to earn electoral votes in swing states. So the question arises: what is "trial by combat" analogous to? Any "battle" or "contest" is over. The counting of the votes my Congress is mostly a formality. The only issues to deal with are procedural ones. So if Guiliani isn't talking about literal trial by combat, what is he talking about?


It is dumb, disingenuous liberal hysteria that call it "violence". Second, if one party uses fraud in an election, then violence may  be warranted sometimes. The U.S. became independent through violence.
Do you think violence is warranted here, ethang?


There was something for you to address, the phrase you conspicuously left out.
It was too stupid to include.

And you have addressed it, so nothing about me prevented you from doing so. Good job!
Lol. You're still dodging your hypocrisy. Not surprising. You said I had not addressed it, then you said I had. All in the space of of a single post. Did you go back and re-read my post?
You addressed it - eventually - after I asked you to.


I haven't claimed that everything Trump does is a high crime.
You are a hypocrite. You know you are. I will not banter with you about it, especially as your dishonesty will cause you to avoid questions. You are intelligent, and liberal people like you think intelligence means you can't be morally reprobate. Your hypocrisy is toxic, and it pollutes every virtue you may have.

As I said, when you can face your hypocrisy, let me know. Right now, I have to go puke.
What am I being dishonest or hypocritical about? And why do you keep calling me a liberal?
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This position is not supported by the evidence. Everything else you said is off topic.
Abject nonsense.
No.
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@Death23
Trump caused an angry mob to attack the capitol.
Trump encouraged protesters to march to the Capital Building.

This is hardly the first time protesters marched to the Capital Building.

Capital police let protesters into the building.

Do you think anti-Trump protesters would have acted any differently if they had been let into the building?

Don't you think that Nixon would have loved to paint the anti-war protesters as an "angry mob" of "domestic terrorists"?
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Trump caused an angry mob to attack the capitol.
Trump encouraged protesters to march to the Capital Building.
It's more probable than not that Trump knowingly and willfully caused the attack on the capitol.

This is hardly the first time protesters marched to the Capital Building.

Capital police let protesters into the building.

Do you think anti-Trump protesters would have acted any differently if they had been let into the building?

Don't you think that Nixon would have loved to paint the anti-war protesters as an "angry mob" of "domestic terrorists"?
This is not relevant to Trump's culpability.
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@Death23
Giuliani is obviously an idiot, but it seems pretty obvious he was speaking metaphorically, not LITERALLY.

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A report by Business Insidercites an excerpt from the interview where Trump's ex-wife Ivana tells her lawyer Michael Kennedy that Trump reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order and keeps it in a cabinet by his bed.
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This is not relevant to Trump's culpability.
Are the people who organized other protests that ended in burning buildings and broken windows also "culpable"?

I'm pretty sure only the individuals who actually committed actual crimes are "culpable".
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A report by Business Insidercites an excerpt from the interview where Trump's ex-wife Ivana tells her lawyer Michael Kennedy that Trump reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order and keeps it in a cabinet by his bed.
I've read The Book of Mormon, does that automatically make me a Mormon?
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@drafterman
In those cases the war/sports jargon are metaphors for existing legal, political processes. For example "winning the battleground states" means to earn electoral votes in swing states. So the question arises: what is "trial by combat" analogous to? Any "battle" or "contest" is over. The counting of the votes my Congress is mostly a formality. The only issues to deal with are procedural ones. So if Guiliani isn't talking about literal trial by combat, what is he talking about?
Giuliani is talking about Republican officials contesting the certification.

It's the same sort of rhetoric people use when saying "we're going to kick their asses" or whatever.

Also, Giuliani is an idiot and I've never voted for a Republican.
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@3RU7AL
Giuliani is obviously an idiot, but it seems pretty obvious he was speaking metaphorically, not LITERALLY.
Obvious to you maybe, but,  you were not at  the speech with a crowd who were obviously angry and all they needed wast a little help from there narcissistic leaders to send them off in a direction to unleash their angry in "combat", necessary or not. 

They made a mistake of thinking "combat" was neccessarry and people died, injured and terrorized as a resultant of "combat" tactics

You make the mistake of coddling three monsters that incited/inflamed this crowd to take their issues to the capital building.

The rest is sad terrorist history.
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Giuliani is talking about Republican officials contesting the certification.
Not according to Giuliani

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@3RU7AL
Also, Giuliani is an idiot and I've never voted for a Republican.

I always thought you were an intelligent person.


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@3RU7AL
This is not relevant to Trump's culpability.
Are the people who organized other protests that ended in burning buildings and broken windows also "culpable"?

I'm pretty sure only the individuals who actually committed actual crimes are "culpable".

Incitement of insurrection is an actual crime.

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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@drafterman
Giuliani is talking about Republican officials contesting the certification.
Not according to Giuliani
I missed the news story where Giuliani explains himself.

Perhaps you'd like to share with the rest of us?
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He says it was in reference to them being allowed to inspect the Dominion machines. Doesn't make a lick of sense, TBH, but that's his explanation.

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Finally!  I can't believe it took that long for people to get the theatrical reference
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@drafterman
For example "winning the battleground states" means...
Right. You tell us what it means. And in the case of Trump, it always " means" something negative. As I said, your liberal  hysteria will not be entertained here.

Do you think violence is warranted here, ethang?
Do you think Kavenaugh was treated fairly Draft?

Trump was involved in no violence hypocrite. But democratic senators and Congress people openly called for rabble to confront Republicans and get in their faces. I have video of them calling for violence, using the actual word "violence". The sheer hypocrasy of a BLM/antifa liberal asking me about violence is surreal. 

What am I being dishonest or hypocritical about? And why do you keep calling me a liberal?
There is a hilarious verse in the Bible that goes, "evil people do evil and then afterwards wipe their mouthes and go, " what?"