XMAS MAFIA - Day Phase 2

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In the event he is town though we get a lot of good information from this, and it will guarantee us a scum in misterchris. 
how does me being shit at english make mister chris scum

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What were your results in visiting Magic?
Not at liberty to say atm. Irrelevant to solving any puzzles the game presents us.
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Alternatively, I'd be willing to put the water lynch on hold and lynch bullish based on the caroler results. I know I am town, and I suspect whiteflame is town, so this kind of confirms bullish is scum to me. I doubt others would bite for this option, just saying I am equally willing to lynch bullish if anyone's interested in that option.

Otherwise, it probably has to be water this phase. 

Here's the thing with water, there is a world where water actually fvcked up and claimed the wrong role. He is kind of lazy and made a mistake as town doctor protecting a bulletproof because he didn't read the phase. Chances are less likely he didn't read his role PM correctly than reading a whole day phase though. And if he is town, he has no one to blame but himself for his action.

In the event he is town though we get a lot of good information from this, and it will guarantee us a scum in misterchris. 
Are you kidding me? if Water flips town, then you go for MisterChris? Not White? You literally gave me the carol, the carol is confirmed, the carol lists a players that behaviorly was very scummy last DP (White), but you still do not trust my read or seemingly my results. We are screwed as town
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how does me being shit at english make mister chris scum
Watcher and tracker is kind of OP in small games, I'd say it's more likely one or the other is scum. Back in DDO's prime where there was 20+ players, you were more likely to see watcher and trackers as both town.
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Speed did not visit Pie, what are you talking about. Speed and Pie apparently visited Supa, which explains Supa's death. Prior to Water's results, everyone assumed Supa recruited scum and died as a result. Now it seems, assuming water is not lying, which I will wait on Pie to determine, that Supa actually died because he was Vigged by speed. 
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Are you kidding me? if Water flips town, then you go for MisterChris? Not White? You literally gave me the carol, the carol is confirmed, the carol lists a players that behaviorly was very scummy last DP (White), but you still do not trust my read or seemingly my results. We are screwed as town
I was really hoping not to say this, but I am not the caroler, and didn't give you those results. Why would a caroler's own name be on their results? That would guarantee that scum was one of the other two, which makes the role basically a justice (one of the most OP investigative roles). If water flipped town, I would still actually probably want to lynch bullish fisrt, but yeah there would be a lot to indicate misterchris is scum in that scenario.
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Unless it is role madness or scum is overpowered either in numbers or roles. Either way, it is not automatic scum read on one or the other. Instead we should wait for Pie. 
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why would scum go out of their way to counter claim this early if they don't know if i'm tracker or not? if i really was tracker and i got lynched then they get lynched the next dp.
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Magic its not that I don't trust your logic with white, I simply have played in every game with whiteflame and understand why players who haven't played with him would think he is scum. Your results convienently highlighted my biggest scum read from last day phase. It would be wierder if I didn't want to pursue bullish further after the information you gave.
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Reading rest of last DP and this DP, please bear with me

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also, how did mister chris know you visited magic then?
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I was really hoping not to say this, but I am not the caroler, and didn't give you those results. Why would a caroler's own name be on their results? That would guarantee that scum was one of the other two, which makes the role basically a justice (one of the most OP investigative roles). If water flipped town, I would still actually probably want to lynch bullish fisrt, but yeah there would be a lot to indicate misterchris is scum in that scenario.
Okay then the Caroler should not out themselves and this is looking more and more like role madness or an OP scum team. Because so far everyone who has claimed has roles and fairly significant ones. This gives credence to MisterChris and Water both being town. But again, we need to hear from Pie
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Unless it is role madness or scum is overpowered either in numbers or roles. Either way, it is not automatic scum read on one or the other. Instead we should wait for Pie. 
I agree it's not the strongest reasoning, it's why I said I would still vie for lynching bullish over chris, but it would definitely give cause to suspect chris. I am perfectly fine waiting for pie.
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I was quoting Oro. I think he misspoke and meant to say "Speed visiting Supa was already established"
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Alternatively, I'd be willing to put the water lynch on hold and lynch bullish based on the caroler results.
Huh?  So far, Magic is claiming CAROLER results but this claim is not confirmed because nobody is claiming to be the CAROLER.  If there is no CAROLER then Magic is lying and we don't care what she says.

I know I am town,
If you are TOWN you are either preventing us from trusting ORACLE results by failing to confirm or you are preventing us from confirming a lie.
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also, how did mister chris know you visited magic then?
Mafia has a role called "scout" that is the same thing as a tracker. He would be a scout in the off chance he is scum. To clarify, I don't currently think misterchris is scum, but if you are town, it would give one cause to think that he might be.
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Huh?  So far, Magic is claiming CAROLER results but this claim is not confirmed because nobody is claiming to be the CAROLER.  If there is no CAROLER then Magic is lying and we don't care what she says.
Magic thinks I am the caroler, and I just confirmed I was not. That makes it pretty unlikely magic is lying, I don't see utility in that gambit. 

If you are TOWN you are either preventing us from trusting ORACLE results by failing to confirm or you are preventing us from confirming a lie.
So far you are the only one who seems to be doubting the caroler results. 
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also, how did mister chris know you visited magic then?
That is the point, MisterChris's role has to be legit because he knew Luna visited me. Affiliation is not determinative of role claim. MisterChris could still be scum, but I am leaning towards you both being town, further info. from pie pending. 
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Ok so last DP was a clusterfuck and weird especially with Bullish switching so much, which fuels my FoS

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If WP flips town WATCHER, that indicates WP's negligence... not my affiliation. I would've been telling the truth in that scenario
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Ok so last DP was a clusterfuck and weird especially with Bullish switching so much, which fuels my FoS
did you visit supadudz?
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I am pretty much confirmed town. I claimed hated and am clearly not TP since there already is one (Supa). Caroler should absolutely NOT out themselves. There is zero reason to doubt my results. 
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oh well regardless, it wasn't established because up to that point everyone thought Supa recruited scum. 
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If WP flips town WATCHER, that indicates WP's negligence... not my affiliation. I would've been telling the truth in that scenario
For the record I am just being open minded with options here. I don't think WP flipping town neccesarily means your scum, there could be both a town watcher, tracker, caroler, and vig which makes for a pretty stacked town. But there is a likelihood as well that you are mafia scout in that situation, and I think it would be something to consider. My priority would still be bullish in this scenario.
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You win if the cult is the dominant party at the end of the game. 

Fake character claim options: XX, XX
Fake role claim options: XX, XX, XX, XX or XX 


Speedrace: You are RALPHIE PARKER. Sure 
Ok so there’s a couple of ways this could go:

Speed waived and Supa recruited Scum

Speed shot Supa and Scum shot Speed (Cult member out there maybe?)

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I won't be on again for a few hours
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did you visit supa?
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DID YOU VISIT SUPA?
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I am pretty much confirmed town. I claimed hated and am clearly not TP since there already is one (Supa). Caroler should absolutely NOT out themselves. There is zero reason to doubt my results. 
This is suspicious as fuck. You aren't pretty much confirmed town. You claimed a role that can't be verified without lynching you. A role that can be scum. And all of a sudden you have results we're just supposed to trust from you and pretty please don't ask around to validate them?

Lunatic speculated SK as a possible second third. You know what I'm thinking? Lyncher.
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Fair enough. I can't rebut that I could be a SCOUT. Circumstantial evidence, I think, would indicate otherwise however