Anime Waifus Mafia DP2

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Why would you get a notification that you were redirected if it was a bus driver? The bus driver isn't targeting you, they would've targeted me and Croc, so therefore it makes no sense for you to get a notification
Cause my action was redirected? I clarified with Supa anyways. If any role redirects any role, they would be notified.
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Unless someone wants to fess up that they redirected me in some way, my vote stands.
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@whiteflame
Not really convinced it's the Bus Driver, either, but it's one possible route. It's more disprovable than others, though, so I can understand your incredulity.
Let’s assume that it was just a simple redirector. Why redirect me to Croc. Who was I the most suspicious of? If I was Cop it makes sense. Tracker, watcher, roleblocker, you name it.
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Unless someone wants to fess up that they redirected me in some way, my vote stands.
If it is a mafia redirector, I'm not incriminated
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@ILikePie5
Also you could just be mafia with an extra killing role
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@Speedrace
If it is a mafia redirector, I'm not incriminated
It makes no sense to redirect my actions to Croc lol.
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@Speedrace
Also you could just be mafia with an extra killing role
Nice OMGUS lol
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Nice OMGUS lol
Nice incorrect use of OMGUS
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Nice incorrect use of OMGUS
Lol it’s exactly what you’re doing
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@ILikePie5
Lol it’s exactly what you’re doing
OMGUSing is voting/sussing someone because they voted/sussed you, with no other logic behind it. So you're telling me that you being mafia with an extra killing role isn't an actual possibility? And that I somehow magically voted or sussed you?
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@Speedrace
OMGUSing is voting/sussing someone because they voted/sussed you, with no other logic behind it. So you're telling me that you being mafia with an extra killing role isn't an actual possibility? And that I somehow magically voted or sussed you?
Your logic isn’t rocket science lol. Everyone here could be scum. It’s fluff aka useless logic
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@ILikePie5
Your logic isn’t rocket science lol. Everyone here could be scum. It’s fluff aka useless logic
Doesn't mean it's an OMGUS
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I seriously sus Pie right now.

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Why lol? All you have to do is find Bus Driver and then ask Supa if a person doing an action on either of the two people in a Bus Drive would be notified if their action was redirected
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@ILikePie5
A few reasons...
  1. Even you admit your role justification is shit. Honestly, it lines up better with third party than vig.
  2. Victims of redirect do not usually get told outright. Similarly, nothing about that bus driver description implies they would be given a redirect notification... Just imagine if a cop investigated you, and were told: 'Not guilty, but your investigation was redirected.' I would even dare to say, telling everyone any time it happens, would defeat much of the purpose of that role.
  3. With multiple NKs last night (three unless I'm mistaken?), you insist "it had to be Croc and Speed." Which to me reads like a rehearsed story you decided upon. Further, if it had to be a "bus driver" but your PM said "redirected" why would you assume a bus driver specifically?
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VTL ilikepie
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@ILikePie5
it wasn't a bus driver it was a redirect by me and as to why i redirected dp 1 it's because i found you suspicious as hell for being on speed the whole time dp 1.

btw the format it worked with the redirect was that i just redirected any action taken by you onto croc.
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Unvote.
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@Barney
Even you admit your role justification is shit. Honestly, it lines up better with third party than vig.
i wouldn't look into the role justifications too much, a lot of these role justifications don't make much sense but might just be due to the fact that supa didn't watch the animes and the wikis being bad. however, based on the fact that supa's pfp is literally zero two i agree that it's pretty sus how terrible that justification is.

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         ↓NP↓            Role              Claim
MisterChris          ???                  ???
Speedrace           Dreamer       Lucy Heartfilia from Fairy Tail
  1. whiteflame (innocent)
Whiteflame          ???                  ???
That1user             ???                  ???
Danielle                 ???                  ???
iLikePie5               Vigilante      Zero Two from DARLING in the FRANXX
  1. Speed
warren42             ???                   ???                                  (replacing crystalynx)
drafterman         ???                   ???                                  (replacing Corey)
Ragnar                  ???                   ???                                  (replacing seldiora)
  1. ??? 
WaterPhoenix   Redirector    ???
  1. iLikePie -> Croc

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Crocodile             Hated               Aqua from Konosuba
  1. N/A
Lunatic                  Vanilla             Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend   
  1. N/A
Elminister            Bodyguard    Mai from Rascal Does Not Dream of a Bunny Girl Senpai
  1.  ???

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@WaterPhoenix
Still, three night kills, I think we can assume a vig contributed (or third party killer) was involved. I am leaning toward pie being a third party yandere (to fit with the theme).
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@Barney
Elminster wasn't night killed he was mod killed.
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@Speedrace
There are easy ways to solve the bus driver argument. Firstly, allow me to remind everyone that if this is proven to be a redirector, and not a bus driver, then I am not incriminated because there is no way for a redirector to have known who Pie's original target was.
Ok. that doesn't "solve" the bus driver argument. It just semi-absolves you if it is proven to be a redirector.

If anyone else targeted Croc or me and wasn't given a redirected notification, then it's impossible for it to be a bus driver.
I don't believe anyone has said so, yet. So you're out of luck on this point.

Also, why would I bus drive with Croc as scum?
Because you were FOS'd by many people and Croc is heavily assumed to be Town. As scum, you would want to redirect any investigative roles from you onto a Townie.

That risks bringing any possible actions originally on him onto me, which only hurts me.
It's objectively helpful for maf to bus actions away from themselves onto Townies.

The arg that I used a bus driver on myself therefore assumes that I knew I would be vig'd, but how would I know that as scum?
It does not assume you knew there would be a vig.

Plus even if I somehow did know I would be vig'd, why would I redirect that onto Croc knowing he would be an eventual mislynch? It makes no sense
No one is saying it was done knowing there was a vig. Also, no one has accused you directly of being a bus driver, just that there is a bus driver. This post hints at hidden knoweldge.

VTL Speed.
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If anyone targeted croc and wasn't notified of a redirect, speak up.
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@WaterPhoenix
That clarifies it a bit, but I’d really like a full claim from you now. It sounds like you targeted Croc and made every action taken by Pie target him instead. That sounds like the Redirector, but I’d like that clarified, and provide the character it goes with. I’ll abstain from a vote since you provided this information willingly.

Also, two pieces of information received from Supa (just asked him). One, not all roles are on the spreadsheet used by Draft (though it seems most are). Two, ALL redirects are reported. So it does not matter what the roles say elsewhere - in this game, the mod will tell you if your action was redirected and to whom.
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Add to that question: if anyone visited Speedrace (Pie’s apparent target) and was not notified of a redirect, speak up.

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Ok. that doesn't "solve" the bus driver argument. It just semi-absolves you if it is proven to be a redirector.
It does because I couldn't have known that Pie was targeting me originally. The whole point of his argument was that I bus drove myself knowing I would be targeted

Ignoring all your bus drive points since we know it's a redirector

No one is saying it was done knowing there was a vig. Also, no one has accused you directly of being a bus driver, just that there is a bus driver. This post hints at hidden knoweldge.
I never said someone said that, I was just arguing under the assumption that was true. And the accusation is that I am scum and scum has a bus driver. And what hidden knowledge?
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Much appreciated
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1. MisterChris - Null
3. Whiteflame - town
4. That1user - null
5. Danielle - town
6. iLikePie5 - town
7. warren42 - null
8. drafterman - null
9. Ragnar - null
10. WaterPhoenix - town

So we should pressure That1, warren, drafter, or Ragnar

VTL That1