First of all, literally nothing about the link you shared to your post indicates any hypocrisy of mine. I'm not sure if you gave the wrong link or not, but nowhere from that page did I say "Discord logic" is a bad reason to pressure someone. I have always said that it's completely fair game and reliance on it is partially why the town sucks without theme analysis or considering outside game clues. We use it way more often than we should. I have complained about this multiple times in the last few weeks. That's why I said I wouldn't have agreed with Mikal to pressure Speed about it had I been online at the time. Which brings me to the next point that I am only going to repeat one final time:
I am not voting for Speed because he refused to claim per Mikal's bullshit Discord logic.
In regards to the link and your last line, exactly! That's my point. The link I posted shows me actively resisting pie wanting me to claim, because there is like 0 behavioral basis for the claim. Likewise with mikal's discord logic. You have said multiple times that the discord logic is dumb too, so where you seem to disagree is that refusing to claim in general is scummy. I am showing you how that isn't consistent with your past views in regards to me doing the same thing in Avatar Mafia.
You really can't feign ignorance to it either, because it was kind of a big event. I refused to claim because there was no reason for it other than pie wanted me to. And pie resisted claiming the next phase in defiance and actually let himself get lynched over it. The difference was that there was behavioral reason for pie in dp2, where he never made an argument for me. You defended me on this stance in the endgame, and me and you both lectured pie for it. It led to the meme of you voting pie at the beginning of every day phase. That you are acting ignorant to my point here is baffling.
This is going to be the last thing I say about the subject, but just FYI in that game Luna posted, it was where Luna said he thought scum was one of the people who "liked" his post. That is arguably a ridiculous reason to pressure someone first (PRESSURING SOMEONE WHO WAS ONLINE AT THE TIME SOMEONE LIKED HIS POST) and Speed said so BUT I WENT ALONG WITH IT BECAUSE IT WAS DAY PHASE 1. I said that we had nothing else to go on so it gave us a place to start. Please just read this entire page of my
posts from that game.
We were right about the person to pressure first for that "BS" reason and btw I was town. So Luna is completely 100% making up that I am somehow exemplifying hypocritical logic. Now I want to FOS him for lying because that whole exchange was very memorable. And that's all I have to say about that.
Your argument is all over the place; If you agree that the discord logic was bas just like the liking post logic was bad, but were okay with me not claiming, why aren't you equally okay with speed not claiming from bad logic? All this is kind of pointless to your FOS since speed actually DID character claim his character before you went into the larger part of your tirade anyway, unless your honestly expecting a full claim from this. If that's the case, your case isn't just all over the place, it's straight in the toilet lol.
I have said in each and every game that we have to start somewhere on DP1. Every DP1 someone whines and throws a hissy fit and refuses to claim because "why should they." THERE IS NO GOOD REASON MOST OF THE TIME. We literally make one up and that's why you completely ignored the example I gave re: Pie voting for whiteflame, because in each and every game you'll find a random or arguably BS reason to pressure someone first. Why should Elminster claim when you pressure him first? What if you voted for him and 4 people hopped on just cuz they figured why not, but he refused to claim because "why should he?" It's straight up anti town to not claim when you have a wagon even if the wagon is built on bullshit. That's how you play the game.
I agree and dis-agree at the same time. I do not think people should automatically claim upon first receiving pressure. And when I pressure people it isn't usually for a claim unless I already think their behavior is lynchable and let them use the claim to potentially change my mind. As you said, I RVS voted elminster, but I never asked him for a claim. If he's willing to claim, we can look into that behaviorally; Why did he claim so willingly? Noobs tend to crack under pressure sooner, which is why you see them claim so early. I don't expect a person like you or drafter to claim simply because you have a few votes on you. Especially if you are a power role. In fact in live mafia you tend to hold out on claiming more than literally everyone, often making it into the later stages and holding onto results. If you do something scummy enough to demand a claim, and multiple people seem to agree at least enough to pressure you to claim, then you claim. Speed does not fall under this circumstance. Speed also was never at risk of being lynched either, if he would have claimed I guarantee you half the people on his wagon would have been like "why did you claim a power role bro you barely had any pressure" and further scum read him for claiming lol. Speed's resistance to claiming feels 100% townie in this circumstance.
You are also lying about me wanting to "mislynch Speed." I don't want to lynch Speed. I'm telling him to claim so he doesn't get lynched and at the same time keeping my promise that I will absolutely vote to lynch someone who refuses to claim when they have a sufficient wagon
Speed has already claimed. Why do you need a role claim from him? I am not lying about anything. I don't know your motivations, I can only interpret that they would be to take advantage of a contentious on and off wagon while the tea pot is still hot. I interpret that as you looking for a mislynch. You throw around the word lying way to easily lol.
I don't cow tow to big personalities who dictate how the game is played by saying "this is what's going to happen," i.e. YYWs style. In Discord Mafia a few weeks ago, Mikal was screaming at me over and over to do something and I literally just said NO you aren't going to get me to listen just because you "said so."
Good for you I guess.
Speed saying "yeah I'm not claiming no matter what - lynch me" is reminiscent of that smug, condescending personality that I can't stand. That's why I'm voting for him. It's a team game. I agree Mikal's reason was nonsense but a wagon started and Speed said he wasn't going to claim regardless of whether or not he had the votes. If you force the mislynch of a townie when you're town solely because you refuse to claim (like Pie did in that game where I ripped him a new asshole) then you're a loser and deserve ridicule. The fact that you think I would yell at Pie and others over this behavior but not Speed is dumb. I'm not going to let him control how the game goes. That's how he makes a fool of everyone all the time. I am perfectly fine lynching a townie who plays like that and I have maintained this exact same position in each game. So no this is not me trying to "mislynch" Speed; I'd unvote him if he claimed. And you haven't proven anything about my alleged hypocrisy. I already said I'm not claiming and don't care if you lynch me for it. That's how we play on DART now.
It's interesting you see him as being smug and condescending, I see none of that. I see someone who is completely justifiable floored by being voted for complete nonsense. I would say "fvck you" to those pressuring me in this circumstance as well, and have before. Regardless of him stating this his frustration with the reason for his FOS he did actually comply, unlike pie in your example. This is why speed is town, and the fact that he claimed despite having no good reason to suits your own argument for why he should be town. The only reason your vote would still be on him at this point is if you were trying to take advantage of the drama and hope for a mislynch.
