a day in the life of sue, a republican

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@thett3
Yes, she doesn't literally say "blacks good, whites bad.", she teaches history in such a way that it makes the children feel that way. 

Yeah, this narrative just means very little to me without specific examples. There are people who feel that teaching about American slavery is "blacks good, whites bad" which is obviously ridiculous. There are people who feel that acknowledging Alan Turing was gay is brainwashing kids into degeneracy.

Acknowledging Jim Crow has had a long lasting impact on society is not radical (a lot of conservatives whine that it is). Acknowledging that racism still exists is not "extreme left wing, anti white people" which some people frame it as cuz they're ignorant and/or defensive. So it'd help to know what was so egregious that was being taught; otherwise it's just people regurgitating a generalization they can't substantiate. That's like me saying  that so many conservatives really are racist. Not only does data show they are more racist, but I know someone who admitted their conservative fiance was a bigot so that must really say something. 
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The friend who told me that his fiancé is one of the teachers who attempts to “radicalize” her kids is a hardcore liberal and assumed I was as well (I don’t talk politics in my personal life pretty much at all.) It wasn’t a conservative freaking out over teaching slavery, it was a liberal with eyes on the system telling other liberals about how the sausage is made. 

I’m not saying this is anything other than anecdotal, I just thought it was really funny/interesting how perfectly that little anecdote clashed with your post. But of course liberal ideology is taught to children in schools because that’s the belief system held by the vast majority of teachers. If you had kids, would you send them to a private, conservative Christian school? The reverse is essentially what conservatives are expected to do with regards to public school. 
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Social justice is the uneven application of the law based on immutable characteristics under the guise of correcting past perceived social injustices.  Revenge and ham-fisted reparations based on identity can't be a good thing for America when the level of judicial equity largely depends on your chosen identity.

Lol @ framing social justice as a bad thing (oh no, not justice!). How is there an uneven application of law regarding immutable characteristics? That's just completely wrong. Saying you can't fire someone because of their sex protects people from both sexes. Saying you have to serve people regardless of their religious affiliation means that applies to EVERYONE'S religious affiliation. There is no unequal application of law or else it would be challenged in court as unconstitutional.

This also doesn't qualify as "revenge." You're probably just complaining about affirmative action initiatives. While annoying, it's really no more annoying than things like legacies or other opportunities being determined based on things other than merit (i.e. family pull). Obviously it sucks for white men who are potentially disregarded based on their race and sex... just like it sucks for women and brown people disregarded for the same reasons. I'm against most forms of AA but pretending it's the reason people are struggling in America is just silly. 
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When they say America is a nation of immigrants or has a long history of immigration, the stated fact forms a premise that can support various conclusions. (e.g. ergo it is hypocritical for America to oppose immigration or ergo immigrants are your people.) The conclusions aren’t stated because the proponents of the argument know the arguments are weak and are concealing that weakness. America is a sovereign nation and has every right to exert strict control over its borders and to set immigration policy, and is no less entitled to do so simply because there was immigration in the past.
Strongly agree. I’m a conservative so I actually do think that tradition carries some weight but the overwhelming focus of policy making should be on the current public good. Mass immigration made a lot more sense when there were vast tracts of land to conquer and Indians to fight, it makes less sense now. Even though it’s a different situation since it wasn’t voluntary mass immigration sure didn’t work out for the native Americans...

I’ve been wrong many times in the past and will be wrong again so I could easily be wrong about immigration but people need to make an argument, not just tell me we can’t ever change our policies because of history 
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Yes I realize that you understand your example is anecdotal. I don't deny most teachers are liberal (doesn't liberal politics often intersect with higher education?) but again most people making hyperbolic claims like that can't substantiate that dramatic representation 99% of the time. Maybe you should ask him exactly what she teaches her students and perhaps I'll agree it's insane. But I'm willing to bet it's just something about how racism still has permeating effects in society generally or something like that. 
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I never understand this point when people make it. Your contention is that because the US has had waves of immigration in the past, in the present day we are not allowed to make/change public policy related to immigration? No argument about how mass immigration in the current day effects the common good can be considered? How does that make any sense? 

He might be talking about people "despising immigration" insofar as insisting nations should be homogenous when the U.S. isn't and arguably never was.
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I didn't read your posts back to me yet but I will at some point, probably. 
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@Danielle
He might be talking about people "despising immigration" insofar as insisting nations should be homogenous when the U.S. isn't and arguably never was.
Look -


The US is far less homogenous now than it was in the past. That there has been a substantial increase in diversity is an objective fact.
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If you can be this smart and logical, why can't other people?

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And do you think that there is no primitive murderous backwater culture lurking in Old America?
Is your argument that because I have cockroaches in my house, I should welcome more?

I would suggest that the intent of most potential immigrants, is the betterment of their lives, rather than murderous fanaticism.
And if we could see their intent, that would be great. But if the person is an illiterate peasant, with primitive ideas, his intent doesn't matter. He will try transform his new home into his old home.

I would further suggest that a movement from what is perceived to be a position of established security. Will always evoke a negative response....Especially from older people, who have a tendency to be fearful of change.
If the change is illiteracy, drugs, misogyny, and jihad, then I don't want it.

The U.S.A....A  new nation, wholly founded on immigrants, despising immigration.
Lie. The US does not hate immigration, it hates illegal immigration.

To put it mildly, this does appear to be something of a hypocritical contradiction.
That liberals try to equate immigration with illegal immigration is what is hypocritical.

I would suggest that quiet white leafy America can still be quiet and leafy, but perhaps slightly off-white in the future....And we are always wary of new neighbours, especially if they don't match the established norm.
This is the dishonest liberal play of the race card. Do you think the only thing 100,000 primitive Afghans bring is a slightly off-white color? Immigrants bring their culture. Immigrants from backward countries bring their backward culture. The race is not what matters,  the culture is what matters.

The benefit of living in the U.K..... Is that it is small, and consequently there is nowhere to hide from reality...In my opinion.
And yet you've had to outlaw sales of acids and place people on watch jihadi lists.

I would finally suggest that, evolution dictates that intellect rather than ethnicity is the only way forwards....And so we will need to embrace minds, rather than worry about the colour of the box their contained within.......Though a different issue perhaps.
You are the only one talking about color Z-man. Only you.
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This is the dishonest liberal play of the race card. Do you think the only thing 100,000 primitive Afghans bring is a slightly off-white color? Immigrants bring their culture. Immigrants from backward countries bring their backward culture. The race is not what matters,  the culture is what matters.
This is not an accurate representation of immigration

Origin Country:
Mexico is the top origin country of the U.S. immigrant population. In 2018, roughly 11.2 million immigrants living in the U.S. were from there, accounting for 25% of all U.S. immigrants. The next largest origin groups were those from China (6%), India (6%), the Philippines (4%) and El Salvador (3%).
Top Countries of Birth: Mexico, Estimate: 5,572,000, Total: 51%
As of 2016, the population of undocumented immigrants in the United States is estimated to be 10.7 million, roughly 3.3% of the entire US population. 50.9% of undocumented immigrants were from Mexico, and 20.6% of all undocumented immigrants resided in California. As of 2012, 53% of undocumented immigrants were male. In 2016, approximately 31% of workers in the roofing industry and 24% of maids/housekeepers were undocumented immigrants


Reasoning for non-naturalization:
Generally, most immigrants eligible for naturalization apply to become citizens. However, Mexican lawful immigrants have the lowest naturalization rate overall. Language and personal barriers, lack of interest and financial barriers are among the top reasons for choosing not to naturalize cited by Mexican-born green card holders, according to a 2015 Pew Research Center survey.
"One misconception about undocumented immigration is that obtaining legal papers is as simple as, say, changing your address at the post office, and that immigrants remain undocumented due to a lack of trying. But nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, there are millions of immigrants who have lived in the US for decades, who have worked hard and paid taxes and bought homes, who have US-citizen children, who make valuable community contributions — who have been deported, and forcibly separated from their whole lives in America, because they weren’t able to “get legal”. Many of them have spent years and tens of thousands or more in legal fees trying to find pathways to legalization and citizenship for themselves. If there were a way to “get right with the law”, they would have done it. There isn’t.

As immigration attorney David Leopold wrote at Medium recently:
Immigration law generally requires that for an immigrant to adjust or change status to temporary worker or green card holder, he or she must have lawfully entered the United States…immigrants who entered the country without inspection — even as young children — generally cannot apply for a green card [while] inside the United States under any circumstances, including if they marry a U.S. citizen.
The question of why immigrants come to the US without papers, from a logistical standpoint, boils down to two things: the fact that there’s no “line” for the vast majority of people around the world to get into, and the fact that there’s no way to correct undocumented status."

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Ethang is right, third world immigrants bring third world culture, we don’t need that in America until there is some control

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Do you have proof that the quote "third world culture" is harmful to america? Or that every person from a country has the same culture? Does everyone in America have the same culture? Does everyone from India have the same culture? Does everyone from Uganda have the same culture? 
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Because the picture is far far bigger than some people with established  ideas,  fears and prejudices.

And you do understand the point, because you were able to formulate a counter argument.
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I would suggest that some talk about it and others think about it.


And I would further suggest that you have a stereotypically conservative image of  a threat to your establishment. Gleaned from  prejudiced third party conservative sources, with little knowledge of true facts and real people..... I'm just guessing though...(You may well be a volunteer aid worker. If so, then my unreserved apologies)

A bit like my old dad, who thought he despised all the coloured immigrants that came to the U.K. in the sixties, even though he never met a single one of them. Until he needed the help of a M.D. when his health was failing, and then of course he was most grateful.

And may I ask...Who is going to do all your dirty work for you. The British horticultural industry would have come to a grinding halt if it hadn't been for the hard work of Eastern European migrants.....And a few stay and most go home, and most would prefer to go home....

And the newer influx of Middle Eastern and North African migrants would also love to be at home.   If only, the U.S. and it's Allies hadn't bombed the f**k out of their homelands. (Just an easy  jibe, but with an undeniable  element of truth to it.)....Will it be Iranians next, when the U.S. and their Israeli overlords eventually decide to bomb the f**k out of Iran.....(Hurry up Mr Biden)....More jibes with elements of truth attached.



Nonetheless... The homogenization of humanity  will move inexorably onwards and the old guard will be left behind scratching their heads and arses....(In my opinion.)
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third world culture brings third world homicide rates like in Mexico or el salvador

And yes the Harvey majority of people coming in bring third world culture bring that culture
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Because the picture is far far bigger than some people with established  ideas,  fears and prejudices.

And you do understand the point, because you were able to formulate a counter argument.
I really don't get it, though. Why is the US not allowed to have a policy re: immigration?

And the newer influx of Middle Eastern and North African migrants would also love to be at home.   If only, the U.S. and it's Allies hadn't bombed the f**k out of their homelands. (Just an easy  jibe, but with an undeniable  element of truth to it.)....Will it be Iranians next, when the U.S. and their Israeli overlords eventually decide to bomb the f**k out of Iran.....(Hurry up Mr Biden)....More jibes with elements of truth attached.
I, too, am a strong supporter of President Trump's foreign policy :)

Nonetheless... The homogenization of humanity  will move inexorably onwards and the old guard will be left behind scratching their heads and arses....(In my opinion.)
Yeah, I just don't get how this could be acceptable to anyone. To me, the idea of humanity all speaking the same language, watching the same TV's shows, listening to the same music, having the same phenotypes...it sounds like a dystopia. I like actual diversity, not the permanent death of all culture. 
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Can you demonstrate that claim? Both claims actually.
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I would suggest that some talk about it and others think about it.
Right. Because your identity politics NEEDS racists so you will mind read if that is what conjures
them up.

And I would further suggest that you have a stereotypically conservative image of  a threat to your establishment.
You're projecting. You can only argue against an old white racist so you must bend every situation to fit the only narrative you're capable of understanding. It works both ways. In these backward cultures, they complain about too many western foreigners changing their way of life.

Its simple logic, if you move tens of thousands of any culture to a new place, they will immediately begin to set up their old culture, and since not all cultures are equally good, we must be thoughtful about bringing too many in.

If only, the U.S. and it's Allies hadn't bombed the f**k out of their homelands.
Abject nonsense. Has the US bombed Senegal?, Ghana? Mexico? Was the Irish immigration to America because of bombing? Go to any US embassy in the 3rd world and the place will be packed with people seeking to leave, wartime or no.

Gleaned from  prejudiced third party conservative sources, with little knowledge of true facts and real people..... I'm just guessing though...(You may well be a volunteer aid worker. If so, then my unreserved apologies)
So you are right unless you're wrong? I have lived in 12 different countries, visited more than 100 (I've lost count). You are just feeding yourself liberal talking points that have nothing to do with me.

The homogenization of humanity...
I'm talking about the erosion of cultures, not people. If you could free yourself from your liberals groupthink for a second, you'd be able to think for yourself.

old guard will be left behind scratching their heads and arses...
If your silly liberal policies on immigration are followed, there won't be any "old" arses like you left to scratch their heads. 
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I like actual diversity.
Yep me too....But that's us here and now, conditioned as we are....And not the conditioned people of the future.


And a fair immigration policy isn't a bad idea per se.....But, sometimes the thinking behind the policy is bad.
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I didn't read your posts back to me yet but I will at some point, probably. 
Fair enough
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Well, there won't be any old arses left...Just new old arses....and so on and so on.....And culture will erode and reshape like the desert sands, I would poetically suggest.

And what is an American?

And what is a Brit for that matter?

It doesn't matter if one  believes in the bible or if one believes in evolution...We all nonetheless believe that mankind originated from one place....I would suggest.

It's just that now they are pesky foreigners coming over here.
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Well, I may need a PC injection but I think there is a real difference between a Kansas born American and a Syrian born Jihadi.

You keep "suspecting" a racist under every dingy. We sensible people will keep the country safe for the clueless. You're welcome. 
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So are you suggesting that Adam and Eve, were basically bulls**t.....I would have to agree with you.

Though I would suggest that your ancestors probably originated from somewhere closer to Syria than to Kansas.
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Standard & Poor's credit rating for the United States stands at AA+ with stable outlook. Moody's credit rating for the United States was last set at Aaa with stable outlook.

Yeah, looks like we have best on Moody and second best on S&P. I'm expecting that to go down since we inflated our money supply bigly during this pandemic lol
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Yah well that's the only thing to look at before worrying about the debt.
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So are you suggesting that Adam and Eve, were basically bulls**t.....I would have to agree with you.
If you're suggesting British atheists are idiots, I would have to agree with you.

Though I would suggest that your ancestors probably originated from somewhere closer to Syria than to Kansas.
That's a new one. Let the murderous jihadis in because they are closer to our ancestors. Is it any wonder Britain has seen so many more jihadi terror incidents than America?

I spoke to a libersl once who claimed immigration was worth the innocent deaths in Britain! He even said immigration was worth many more dead innocents. Like you, he probably did not think any white native born Britons could be innocent.
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Like you, he probably did not think any white native born Britons could be innocent.
All diverse cultures should be celebrated and at the same time, these differences mean nothing.
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Gotta post a snippet:

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination whereby the subject is expected to accept a clearly false statement as the truth, or to simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in contravention to one's own memories or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.
George Orwell invented the word doublethink (as part of the fictional language of Newspeak) in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Today, the leftist groupthink of the PC entertainment industry and the progressive education system carry out the brainwashing of the sheep unobtrusively.
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AH...

I would suggest that thy rag was lost temporarily.

The Adam and Eve remark highlighted your previous contradictions, and so the atheists and idiots reply was born of frustration.

You had no real counter to my Syrian Kansas observation, as it was an irrefutable point....And so you reverted back to the old style sarcastic Mr E.

No worries, I fully understand.

And do you mean a hominid being, exhibiting a light skin tone, who perchance was conceived and born upon Planet Earth.
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Orwell would have voted against the Democrats in America.