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does not mean that racism doesn't exist nor that it isn't problematic for people.
I really don't give a fuck about this meaningless statement. The fact that you believe it's a major problem perhaps the gravest problem in America is your problem, not mine.


How about this for an example of an actual major problem in America right now?

Tell me that the lockdowns from the crony government are fundamentally racist, and I will convert to your religion immediately.
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I never said racism is the biggest problem in America. You literally just made that up and got yourself all riled up about something I never  said or even implied. AGAIN

Lockdowns aren't racist; they're inanimate. The people who initiate lockdowns don't have racist motives. The goal is to  curb the spread of an airborne virus. Brown people tend to work in the service industry or in jobs where you can't work from home, hence being more impacted by shut downs to businesses. Liberals are the ones who want to ensure those people have safety nets to fall back on. 

I'm not going to call the lockdowns "racist" because doing so would be incredibly stupid and nonsensical.  The things I call racist actually are racist.
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By the way, when I said "racism is problematic for people" and you replied with I really don't give a fuck about this meaningless statement, it validates everything I said earlier. It's only meaningless to you because you're self-centered and  prioritize your own problems which is absolutely your prerogative. But it's still a problem, and pretending it doesn't exist or isn't worth calling out because you don't give a fuck about it is intellectually dishonest and morally wrong. Just because you have problems of your own doesn't make you any less of a little bitch (in my opinion) for being too lazy and disinterested to call out bigotry which hurts people. It takes little to no effort to do the right thing and say "that's wrong." You just don't want to because you're a partisan cuckservative like I said. You refuse to "side with the libs" even at the expense of perpetuating lies which hurts others. Sad. 
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Lol @ liberal teachers telling white people to hate themselves.
I know that this is anecdotal, but I can tell you, right hand to God, that one of my friends whose fiance is a middle school history teacher literally told me almost exactly that a few months ago. "She's one of those teachers who tries to radicalize her kids. Blacks good, whites bad."  Exact quote. He said this in a group of white guys, which just led to an awkward silence lol. Again anecdotal but that was the moment I decided my kids will never go to public school
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"She's one of those teachers who tries to radicalize her kids. Blacks good, whites bad."  Exact quote. He said this in a group of white guys

In other words you never heard the teacher say this; it's a paraphrased and (clearly) overgeneralization of someone's perspective of this teacher. I would bet my life she doesn't say "blacks good, whites bad" so this is just feeding into the narrative of people stereotyping teachers as liberal hacks. 

Re: public school, my wife actually had a falling out with her best friend over a similar misunderstanding. Her friend claimed that she knew someone whose kid was 10 years old and claimed to be LGBT (or something) based on learning about LGBT issues in school. So the friend told my wife she was never sending her kid to public school because clearly mandatory LGBT education in school is why the 10 year old said that. Meanwhile the law requires middle and HS students are exposed to the contribution or civil rights issues of gay people in history -- it's not telling kids to go have gay sex. But that's the misguided and false narrative of public schools "brainwashing" kids any time they try to teach something that highlights past or present injustice. Obviously some lib college professors are over the top, but they generally don't peddle outright falsehoods.

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 to call out bigotry which hurts people.

Ok Karen
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In other words you never heard the teacher say this; it's a paraphrased and (clearly) overgeneralization of someone's perspective of this teacher. I would bet my life she doesn't say "blacks good, whites bad" so this is just feeding into the narrative of people stereotyping teachers as liberal hacks. 
Yes, she doesn't literally say "blacks good, whites bad.", she teaches history in such a way that it makes the children feel that way. That someone who paraphrased her views and teaching motivations is her fiance who she lives with, and who has similar politics as she does. I know a good number of people who went into public education and every single one is liberal...teachers skew democratic by a 58 point margin (http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/), so the stereotype of them being liberals is well founded. I fully admit that example is anecdotal and could easily represent the top 0.1% most extreme teachers. I have no idea. But it definitely had an impact on me to hear that from the horse's mouth 

Re: public school, my wife actually had a falling out with her best friend over a similar misunderstanding. Her friend claimed that she knew someone whose kid was 10 years old and claimed to be LGBT (or something) based on learning about LGBT issues in school. So the friend told my wife she was never sending her kid to public school because clearly mandatory LGBT education in school is why the 10 year old said that. Meanwhile the law requires middle and HS students are exposed to the contribution or civil rights issues of gay people in history -- it's not telling kids to go have gay sex. But that's the misguided and false narrative of public schools "brainwashing" kids any time they try to teach something that highlights past or present injustice. Obviously some lib college professors are over the top, but they generally don't peddle outright falsehoods.
I don't agree. I think public education IS and always has been set up to "brainwash" people into holding certain beliefs and attitudes. That's certainly how I remember it, although it really wasn't too political when I went through it, and was more dedicated to making us into good little office drones. When the overwhelming majority of the people teaching kids are left wing, those values are going to pop up in teaching for sure, especially with things so polarized these days.

The LGBT kids thing comes from children being online starting at like age 6, not the schools. I guess there might be some gay people who realized they were gay years before they hit puberty but for the most part "LGBT" kids are just confused, often a little lonely or sad, and have had their brains addled by hardcore pornography and whatever else... Kids having all but unlimited internet access is a really scary development
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Social justice is the uneven application of the law based on immutable characteristics under the guise of correcting past perceived social injustices.  Revenge and ham-fisted reparations based on identity can't be a good thing for America when the level of judicial equity largely depends on your chosen identity.
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Social justice is the uneven application of the law based on immutable characteristics under the guise of correcting past perceived social injustices.  Revenge and ham-fisted reparations can't be a good thing for America.
Agreed...I really don't like being conspiratorial but it sure is convenient how all this identity politics BS plays perfectly into the hands of the rich and powerful 
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I have to go zoom with my student now, but I might post some of the mandatory diversity training from my work. You might enjoy it.
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I just made an assload of money investing in hedge funds during the lockdown/wealth transfer from march till now.

I have more money right now than I have ever had, and there's a chance if it continues that I might just go from semi-retired (work 10 hours a week) to full retired.

If I am not allowed to do the job I want, at least I can live comfortably.
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Your defensive response toward the white guilt narrative should help you to understand why taking responsibility doesn't gain popular traction in groups. Nobody wants to take the blame. The reality is that the conditions within the black community are, to a certain extent, attributable to racism but are also attributable to other factors within the black community itself. I do think that out of wedlock births is a significant problem. Consider, however, that the children born in to those situations have done nothing to cause them. They are not to blame for that in any way. They are also not to blame for the disparities in education funding which are attributable to the property tax collections. Housing in black communities is of lower market value and the property taxes used to fund schools in those areas is consequently lower. They will grow up within a culture that, to a certain extent, glorifies criminal lifestyles, rejects education and where credibility is given by showing a readiness to resort to violence. It is reasonable to expect a significantly greater number of adverse outcomes when you run children through that environment. Yes, there is choice, but there is also pressure to make certain choices. The responsibility that we should expect people to take for making certain choices should be mitigated by the pressures people are faced with in given situations. As to whatever adverse impacts racism may be having, it is something that should be tackled. Racism does effect outcomes. It isn't entirely clear to me to what degree internal vs external problems are causing adverse outcomes, but in the end it doesn't really matter.
As usual, I agree with most of what you said.

Groups, whether or not they deserve the blame, will want to avoid taking blame for anything wrong. It is hard taking responsibility for things.

But I feel that I rightfully blame personal actions over a system that ended many decades ago. Racism still has some effect, obviously. However, I disagree that the extent to which each is a problem is irrelevant. Maybe in the long run it is, because you want to solve every problem eventually. But when something like single parenthood can increase you probability of being in poverty by more than 4x, I’d say that definitely requires priority over something that has been ended and likely doesn’t have any huge effects currently.

I think we can disagree on that funding area. Simply increasing funding by no means increases education quality (New York spends the most per pupil but is ranked #22)

And while certainly these kids grow up in a community whose culture pushes kids to act recklessly, I think we need to put a big emphasis on personal responsibility, which blaming racism will make impossible because of learned helplessness.

Kids can’t be entirely responsible for their circumstances that they are born into, but it is up to them to stop the cycle and embrace a more responsible, non-thug culture. Culture needs to be changed from the bottom-up. The government can’t change it.

Perhaps I’m out of touch, but it seems to me that racism is blamed more than reckless choices and gangster glorification. If that is the case, no amount of government spending will EVER close any disparities. I think the war on poverty has made that quite clear.
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Put it on red
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Lol, I have never bought a lottery ticket ever.
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I think the war on poverty has made that quite clear.

I would like to see cultural assimilation rewarded. For example, if you finish high school, you get a 5,000 lump sum from the government. Also, if you have no kids before you finish high school, you get a bonus of 5000 additional dollars. If you have your first child while being married, you get a lump sum of 2000 dollars at the end of 2 years if you are still married to the same person. If you are able to work 40 hours a week for at least 250 days out of the year, you get a 1000 dollar bonus.
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Surprising to see this from a “libertarian” haha

It is sad that we have to overtly award people for doing common sense things like brushing their teeth.

That being said, I wouldn’t have a problem with that system. If they finish high school, I’m sure we would save more than $5000 in welfare 
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 I’m sure we would save more than $5000 in welfare 

lol the public school system spends a tiny part of that per person per year.
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It is sad that we have to overtly award people for doing common sense things like brushing their teeth.
We wouldn't have to if we didn't keep mass importing into the country, peasants from primitive cultures.

I would like to see cultural assimilation rewarded.
And liberals would howl that those not rewarded are stigmatized and harmed by not being rewarded. They would claim racism. And in the end, they would force the government to reward every immigrant simply for being an immigrant, not for any good behavior.

The solution is to not bring them here in the first place.

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I feel that I have to ask.....Bring who where?

I would also, merely suggest, that it is easy to pontificate from a position of relative stability and security.

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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And liberals would howl that those not rewarded are stigmatized and harmed by not being rewarded. They would claim racism. And in the end, they would force the government to reward every immigrant simply for being an immigrant, not for any good behavior.

They 100% would. Meh meh meh, this disproportionately(their favorite damn word) awards White people because they don’t play hookie and study for exams, so they pass more often. Reeeeee
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I feel that I have to ask.....Bring who where?
I'll post it again for you in case your screen was so small you missed it.

Bring who?    ...peasants from primitive cultures.
Where? ...into the country (America)

I would also, merely suggest, that it is easy to pontificate from a position of relative stability and security.
Yes. Blame the people who have created a society of stability and security for wanting to keep their society stable and secure.

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Right now France, forced to face the fact that having murderous primitive fanatics in their country is not smart, have decided to get tough on Muslims, indicating some mosques will be closed down. But never will those liberal idiots admit that they would not have the problem in the first place, if they did not keep bussing in deranged religious Jihadists.

The French allow mass immigration from primitive backwater cultures, the immigrated peasants transform France into their miserable hometowns and start behaving like they did in their miserable hometowns, (which is why they wanted to leave there in the first place) then the French get "tough" on idiots beheading the French in their own streets. The liberals scream racism, so the government allows more mass immigration from primitive backwater cultures, the immigrated peasants transform France into their miserable hometowns and start behaving like they did in their miserable hometowns, (which is why they wanted to leave there in the first place) then the French get "tough" on idiots beheading the French in their own streets. The liberals scream racism, and the government allows even more mass immigration from primitive backwater cultures....

And the liberals never see it.

France is now basically a slum with no stability or security where a teacher can get beheaded for teaching, and journalists can get slaughtered for a cartoon. And the clueless morons keep shipping the backward goatherds in!! Is it any wonder that some French people are starting to believe the liberals are NOT clueless, but just have a conscious agenda of destroying French culture?
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They 100% would. Meh meh meh, this disproportionately(their favorite damn word) awards White people because they don’t play hookie and study for exams, so they pass more often. Reeeeee
You got them down to a "T". The nerve of those white racists, thinking that studying for exams and staying in school makes them more worthy of rewards than the poor immigrant who had no choice but to chose to spend his time stealing and selling drugs.

We need more of them. How about a whole village in Afghanistan where the men can tell the difference between women and cows only because women wear burkas, and no one in the entire village has ever seen a flushing toilet? Great! That is what France needs. Tolerance. Multiculturalism. Inclusiveness.

Stupidity.
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No, apparently America has some magical soil that can civilize the third world. Because, ya know, at the heart, aren't all cultures just the same?

Those that respect human rights and those that kill political dissidents are all valid forms of expression.

I, personally, think that having foreign food is worth the crimes and conflict. Because that's what America has always been: the great multicultural experiment to develop the best food.
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Fufu and dog soup. Mmmmmm!
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lol the public school system spends a tiny part of that per person per year.
Yeah, but there is still a tiny shred of me that at least wants to care about that budget 😂
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lol, don't We still got Moodys AAA rating. Need more debt to lower that credit rating.
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And do you think that there is no primitive murderous backwater culture lurking in Old America?

I would suggest that the intent of most potential immigrants, is the betterment of their lives, rather than murderous fanaticism.

I would further suggest that a movement from what is perceived to be a position of established security. Will always evoke a negative response....Especially from older people, who have a tendency to be fearful of change.

The U.S.A....A  new nation, wholly founded on immigrants, despising immigration.  To put it mildly, this does appear to be something of a hypocritical contradiction.

I would suggest that quiet white leafy America can still be quiet and leafy, but perhaps slightly off-white in the future....And we are always wary of new neighbours, especially if they don't match the established norm.

The benefit of living in the U.K..... Is that it is small, and consequently there is nowhere to hide from reality...In my opinion.

I would finally suggest that, evolution dictates that intellect rather than ethnicity is the only way forwards....And so we will need to embrace minds, rather than worry about the colour of the box their contained within.......Though a different issue perhaps.
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The U.S.A....A  new nation, wholly founded on immigrants, despising immigration.  To put it mildly, this does appear to be something of a hypocritical contradiction
I never understand this point when people make it. Your contention is that because the US has had waves of immigration in the past, in the present day we are not allowed to make/change public policy related to immigration? No argument about how mass immigration in the current day effects the common good can be considered? How does that make any sense? 
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When they say America is a nation of immigrants or has a long history of immigration, the stated fact forms a premise that can support various conclusions. (e.g. ergo it is hypocritical for America to oppose immigration or ergo immigrants are your people.) The conclusions aren’t stated because the proponents of the argument know the arguments are weak and are concealing that weakness. America is a sovereign nation and has every right to exert strict control over its borders and to set immigration policy, and is no less entitled to do so simply because there was immigration in the past.