MCU Tools Mafia - DP1

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@ILikePie5
It could be Speed changing last minute IMO that made the justification bad. When Drafter reviewed my game I had to change my justifications a bit to fit his suggestions
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@Vader
Find a scum drafter game for me where drafter doesn't "form his own logic" though. 
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Gonna be pissed if Mjolnir isn’t in here given it’s a hammer lmao

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Anyway Supa I’m not concerned that your link is tentative either, especially given you’re innocent child. Not sure why you’re concerned about the link given you’re mod confirmed town.
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The thing is that Speed got his game edited by Disc. Disc is an extremely picky balancer and goes for perfection in general, so it wouldn't be too unordinary for Speed to have to change up some char and justifications to make things make sense, especially since there was pressure on him last minute
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@warren42
Gonna be pissed if Mjolnir isn’t in here given it’s a hammer lmao
If thanos's gauntlet and stormbreaker are in the game, I would be heavily surprised if it wasn't in the game.
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Mike do you think that they bought me asking about who you were even though we already went over it in scum chat?
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@Lunatic
True. It's mostly a gut read IMO cuz there hasn't been too much from him, so I'll wait to read town on him.
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@Lunatic
Yeah I assume it is just a joke cause like tools, hammer, I find myself funny I don’t expect the rest of you to do so
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Mike do you think that they bought me asking about who you were even though we already went over it in scum chat?
lol
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Anyway I’m out for real this time. See y’all on the flip side
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Anyone else think #127 wasn't actually a joke?
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@Lunatic
Me!
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@Vader
I trust DD on game balance about as much as I trust him to lynch a confirmed townie 
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@Elminster
I think your a bit harsh on DD lol. He is actually a pretty good player. I think he may have actually been drunk that game.
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Eh, I'm ronan's hammer
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Good morning, everyone. Am I supposed to claim or wait until I am popcorned? 
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@Danielle
Might as well beat the popcorn if you’re willing. 
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Okay, now that I've had a chance to read up. I did not see that the popcorn claim was for characters only. Well, since character claims are completely and utterly pointless and null information, I have no problem character claiming. I'm Red Wing.

This whole "locking scum into characters" with not thematic split is a bit silly. There isn't a single item that couldn't be shoehorned into 5 different roles. Not to mention there are only a small handful of roles that are inherently scummy anyway.

If you're going to force people to claim, then at least force them to full claim. Otherwise we're just jerking ourselves off here.

Also, I've decided that voting people to make them active isn't a thing. If they're not here, then they're not here to respond to any votes either. Like, voting a person in this game doesn't send out a psychic vibration through the aether that pings their brain IRL to bring them here. If they're not here they're not here. I mean, look, Croc is a target for inactivity here like he was in my BAMF mafia and he got lynched for it. And he was Town!

Players cannot force other players to be active because players have no control over other players activity. Inactivity or activity isn't a sign of alignment so lynching players for inactivity is just a random lynch with extra steps. Let the mod deal with inactive players. Listen, I get the psychological desire to lynch inactives, but having seen that it never really pans out well It should be abandoned as a strategy.

The other problem with things like popcorning is it gives scum free rein to bandwagon. They are allowed to freely vote whoever the popcorn target is (likely to be town) and not be held accountable for that vote. Normally that would be a fairly substantial FOS.

As it is, my biggest scum read right now is Water. He jumps in posts once about being okay with popcorning but then doesn't actually participate in the popcorning and leave again.

VTL WaterPhoenix (for death)
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Claimed
6. SupaDudz - Gjallerhorn - Innocent Child
8. GreyParrot - Ironman Suit MK 1 - BP
9. whiteflame - Infinity Gauntlet - ????
1. Lunatic - Gungnir - ????
4. Elminster - Stormbreaker - ????
5. ILikePie5 - Nick Fury's Pager - ????
3. Crocodile - Ronan's Hammer - ????
11. drafterman - Red Wing - ????

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2. Danielle
7. WaterPhoenix
10. warren42

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Elminster - 1/6 - WaterPhoenix
drafterman - 2/6 - ILikePie, Lunatic
Lunatic - 1/6 - GreParrot
Crocodile - 3/6 - Elminster, Lunatic, SupaDudz
WaterPhoenix - 1/6 - drafterman

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@drafterman
You can argue the same with Croc. Croc said he would but fluffed out of it for a bit then he claimed
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@Vader
Cool, then we lynch him next. EZ.
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@drafterman
I’m thinking the same way. Seems likely that Croc felt pushed into making a claim to save face after posting and then waiting a while to claim, but Water is scummier for having voiced his support for the popcorn strategy and just flaking out after that. Could still be strategizing in chat with other mafia. I’ll need to see his claim before I have a stronger scum read, though, so I’ll help pressure.

VTL Water
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"Popcorning" is when someone claims and then tags someone else to claim, correct? 
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@Danielle
Yes
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Elminster - WaterPhoenix (1/6)
Drafterman - ILikePie5 (1/6)
Lunatic - Greyparrot (1/6)
Crocodile - Elminster, Lunatic, Crocodile (3/6)
WaterPhoenix - drafterman, whiteflame (2/6)
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@Speedrace
Supa is voting Croc, not himself. (#97)
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Elminster - WaterPhoenix (1/6)
Drafterman - ILikePie5 (1/6)
Lunatic - Greyparrot (1/6)
Crocodile - Elminster, Lunatic, SupaDudz (3/6)
WaterPhoenix - drafterman, whiteflame (2/6)

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Elminster - WaterPhoenix (1/6)
Lunatic - Greyparrot (1/6)
Crocodile - Elminster, Lunatic, SupaDudz (3/6)
WaterPhoenix - drafterman, whiteflame (2/6)