Paranoia Mafia - Day 2

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@Danielle
PLEASE DO NOT LYNCH
I won't, there's no need, we have time
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@Danielle
Absolutely not. This is the dumbest advice ever -- are you noob scum? 
This reads town to me

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I still buy gray parrot based on the time between the edit to drafters sheet and his post. Wanted danielle to claim before we got her , now it's obvious. 

We lynch her and then gp if she flips inno. I can't imagine a game where both a bomb and a pgo exist. Much less some way to bypass pgo

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@That1User
This does not read town. If she's claiming pgo she has to say that. What would you expect her to say. 

I agree that all people with visiting roles should visit me so I can wipe them out lol 

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@That1User
Not really

A meta means it's a standard thing , not that everyone has to follow it. 

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@Elminster
I get that one of them has to be lying, but how do you know it's Danielle? Seems like the whole Google Sheet timeline issue could have been something GP used as a cover for his mistake in making a fake claim.
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@Danielle
Lmao
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@whiteflame
I hate that I don't have access to the Google doc but I'm pretty sure there is literally no role that can neutralize pgo
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@Elminster
I still buy gray parrot based on the time between the edit to drafters sheet and his post. Wanted danielle to claim before we got her , now it's obvious. 
I'm confused, I didn't see a change of the hot potato role post between you quoting Pie on the role post and when I copypasted it at the present time, was that quote the original post prior to the edit or after?
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#403

In the first dp. Go knew exactly when he had a convo with drafter about changing the role. Drafters google doc reflects it was edited at almost the exact same time of that post 

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@Elminster
I hate that I don't have access to the Google doc but I'm pretty sure there is literally no role that can neutralize pgo
I'm not even certain if there was a change, Pie's role quote was the same as mine after, only question is if that's the original
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Happy we are extending but in a very anti climatic way. Was sure she was going to say she lied for a valid reason (if she could post or returned).  Saying it's the truth lmfao
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@Elminster
I'm not second-guessing the PGO rule, I'm saying that GP could be fully lying about his role. I still don't get how he didn't see that Danielle was the PGO during DP1. We're not sure what changed in the spreadsheet, only that GP claimed the Hot Potato role and then claimed that the role itself changed on the spreadsheet later. Not saying I'm more sus of him than Danielle, but I don't see how we've fully vindicated him, either.
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Your meshing two conversations together

1) we need to look in depth over his role list to see if there is a role that can block pgo. I don't ever remember seeing one and pretty sure rb dies 

2) I'm saying grey parrot recalled a conversation he had with drafter about an edit to his google doc. I time stamped parrots post and checked the Google doc for edits. It was edited right around when parrot said it was 

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@whiteflame
We haven't. I'm saying by that edit we know he's telling the truth about drafter editing the sheet. So they did in fact have a convo and he did in fact edit the sheet. Because it was the exact post gp said. 

The fact that he recalled it so vividly and remembered the exact time makes me inclined to believe him. 

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#403

In the first dp. Go knew exactly when he had a convo with drafter about changing the role. Drafters google doc reflects it was edited at almost the exact same time of that post 


Sec talking to MOD ..might have to disclose some stuff
GP-#403 DP1



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Yes I know. We've been through that. At that time stamp , drafter edited the Google doc 
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I think it's totally obvious we lynch between them. Even danielle knows that , it's why she said we prob need to lynch parrot. 

We have to lynch one, and then the other (if they flip guilty). If there is some way where they are both inno, we've already lost. 


I'm still inclined to trust parrot. I just find it hard to believe he would remeber that convo and take the time to find the post about the mod changing how his role working as scum. Much less that the sheet actually reflected it. 

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My bet is Danielle / Speed 
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@Elminster
We haven't. I'm saying by that edit we know he's telling the truth about drafter editing the sheet. So they did in fact have a convo and he did in fact edit the sheet. Because it was the exact post gp said. 

The fact that he recalled it so vividly and remembered the exact time makes me inclined to believe him. 
This is pretty compelling evidence, inclined to think GP is telling the truth now, though a mechanic may have been changed for another role, a potential scum role, unlikely but possible. Talking to the mod and disclosing could mean anything, but combined with the change in the hot potato edit it looks in line with his claim and what he said. GP disclosed right?
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The two biggest town vibes I have is supa and gp atm. 

1) supa because he knew that cop could not investigate itself. No reason to ask this of the mod if he fake claimed. He wanted to ask to check 

2) gp because he had to have had a conversation with the mod about editing the sheet. The timeline reflects that. Now it's changing the sheet about what. I'll take his word at face value because he remembered the exact post 

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(3) I also buy whiteflame behavior wise 



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@That1User
What you said sums it up. It's very very very likely they had a convo about a role and drafter updated it. The time stamps reflect that. 

Now it's whether it's about hot potato or some other role. I'm inclined to believe him. He remembered the exact post and at the time they had it. It's hard to fake that 

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@ILikePie5
The time stamps reflect that. 
Can you confirm the timestamps match GP's DP1 post #403 and the edit to the Hot Potato role?
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There is a picture with all this. We checked it in detail. 

Depending on time conversion it's within 20 mins or an hour 20. Both are reasonable

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I'm at work all day and that sheet only goes to like 50 for me on my phone. I need someone to check every role and see if there is one that can block pgo

1) drafter has confirmed that no outside mechanics exist 

2) all roles are on his sheet 


So unless there is a role that bypasses pgo, she is scum 

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GP's role specifically makes paranoia because mafia doesn't know where the bomb is, versus a PGO role that is instantly claimed. I think we can all agree scum between GP and Danielle is Danielle

VTL Danielle
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Also why in the fuck would parrot pass her the bomb and not try to lynch her when she's gone. He was the one advocating to hear from her lol 
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@Speedrace
Can you check drafters list just ad due diligence. To see if any role can bypass pgo. I don't remeber any that do
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@Elminster
There is a picture with all this. We checked it in detail. 

Depending on time conversion it's within 20 mins or an hour 20. Both are reasonable

You're right, it's 21 mins Eastern apart from the edit and the post.
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@Elminster
I need someone to check every role and see if there is one that can block pgo
I'll check that