The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia DP1

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@Lunatic
I'd disagree. It remained the same. I was questioning him because I was confused about his behavior. I didn't shift my tone toward and in fact kept it the same. It's also pretty annoying when you ask his reason, and then says, "lol go back and read," and his only read is from a sarcastic VTL
I find it kind of ironic you thought he was scum trying to push a mislynch when he was the only one on water, besides me at the time (I was clearly joking) but you are okay participating on a lynch wagon
I'm not on his wagon. I'm simply voting him. I don't have a problem taking him off because I find Bear and Sir FoS as well. In fact you're lowkey maybe shifting my view, but it's hard to shake that
on him with much more support.
Literally I was the first one to suggest he's scum with valid reasoning
If he was really scum going for an easy mislynch he would be on intelligence right now. The irony comes in when you consider that you are on him and the wagon is quite large, making you a hypocrite for doing the exact thing you are accusing him of doing as scum, but better.
Again no. I'm not on his lynch to be on his lynch. I have evidence to prove why he's an FoS.
Since my read has gone down to an FoS from talking, that means Sir Bear and Ayyantu are all FoS and potential scum so Unvote

I don't get what you're saying here. I have other option that I am considering, BearMan and SirAnon being my other people
Open minded in regards to your read on him, not other people. Scum have incentive to scum read multiple people too. 

An FoS is not a scumread. A scum read is suggesting they are scum while a FoS is a sus moment, but not enough to contribute

I still don't get how I'm not being open minded. I've questioned other people as well and I'm not tunneling Ayyantu for a lynch, nor did I suggest we lynch him
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Intelligence (3/6) - Greyparrot, Danielle, BearMan

Ayyantu (2/6) - Water, Intel

Supa (2/6) - Ayyantu, Lunatic 

Lunatic (1/6) - Croc

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VTL Sir because he can't be read
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Honestly all the Ayyantu stuff just sounds like town bickering to me. I think Luna is town, probably Dani too, GP obviously. Not saying I think the people bickering are town but I don't think they're scum necessarily
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Ayyantu is my only townread atm based on the wagon and behavior under pressure from illogical players reading him. I'm feeling lucky this game. 

My contribution will be shaky over the next couple of days.
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Intelligence (3/6) - Greyparrot, Danielle, BearMan

Ayyantu (2/6) - Water, Intel

Supa (2/6) - Ayyantu, Lunatic

Lunatic (1/6) - Croc

SirAnonymous (1/6) - Speed



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@Lunatic
he has yet to answer my question of why does he think croc is town while bearman and supa are scum. other things i can excuse maybe as newbie incompetence but if he doesn't answer my question and keeps giving me vague meaningless answers, then i'd say he's scum trying to bus croc.
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only a lean scum on croc because ayyantu is defending him for some unbeknownst reason
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@Ayyantu
it would be greatly appreciated if you gave me a clear explanation as to why you think croc is town while supa and bear are scum
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@Speedrace
VTL Sir because he can't be read
I suppose that's a complement.
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@SirAnonymous
lol
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@WaterPhoenix
Because you are wrong.
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Reads:

Lean town:

Danielle: Her frustration at the slow progress of the game seemed genuine. I've never seen her as scum, so it might be foolish to town read her. Still, she seems town to me.

Greyparrot: He's playing to his town meta. Early claim, seemingly random, unexplained votes. Fairly typical behavior.

Null:

WaterPhoenix: He posted a lot of fluff early, but started posting more substance. I haven't seen much to indicate his affiliation.

Intelligence: He hasn't been very active, probably due to time zone differences. I haven't seen much to indicate his affiliation either.

Ayyantu: I didn't like their early FOSs or suggestion of a mass claim. I did like their calm response to pressure. I haven't seen them play before, so I'll leave them at null for now.

Lunatic: As usual, my gut tells me he's town. As usual, I know better than to trust my gut with Lunatic.

Speed: He said he'd be inactive, and he has been inactive. Nothing to go on.

Supa: He's been FOSing Ayyantu a lot. I see where he's coming from. At the same time, some of his logic is just...weird. If it was anyone other than Supa, that would be suspicious. But for Supa, that honestly doesn't seem too unusual. Still, I'm keeping a closer eye on him than the other nulls.

Lean scum:

Bear: I know townies can change their minds, but he's been absolutely all over the place. Thinking Ayyantu was scum, thinking Ayyantu isn't scum but should still be lynched as anti-town, thinking Ayyantu shouldn't be lynched. In one page, he went from listing a bunch of people he thought leaned scum to recommending a vtnl to voting Intelligence for a claim. I change my mind a lot myself, but that's really flip-floppy. His other behavior isn't giving me good vibes, either. It's not a strong read, but it easily the best lead I've got right now.

VTL BearMan
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@Intelligence_06
I know no one's active at the same time you are, but it would still help if you would give us more to work with when you are on. Post your reads or some analysis or something.
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I completely forgot Crocodile. Null, I suppose. I might have to look into his posts in more detail later.
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@Greyparrot
Why do you think Intelligence is scum? I can't get a solid read on him, so I'm curious about your reasons.
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Bear's likely town, Sir.
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Intelligence said I was "scummy because defensive." Did anyone else share that perception?
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@Ayyantu
Why do you think that?

To be clear, I use lean scum to mean that there's a higher chance that person is scum than that other people are scum. Without very strong evidence to the contrary, it's statistically likely that any given player is town.
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@Ayyantu
I certainly didn't share that perception. I thought you handled the pressure fairly calmly.
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Then why aren't you scum reading Intelligence?
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@SirAnonymous
How about you pressure him like Danielle and I keep  fucking telling town to do? You guys are retarded as fuck.
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@Ayyantu
Because being wrong isn't usually scummy.
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@Greyparrot
How about you pressure him like Danielle and I keep  ----ing telling town to do? 
But why? You haven't given me any reason to pressure him. If you give me a good reason, I'll help pressure him. It's not useful to tell people to do something but refuse to explain why.
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The problem isn't that Intelligence is wrong, it's that town wouldn't view my behavior as defensive. It's an unnatural perception for a townie to have.
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Speed/Intelligence is plausible team.
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How many scum is normal in 12 players?
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@Ayyantu
It's an unnatural perception for a townie to have.
How to put it? There's nothing unusual about Intelligence having an unnatural perception of other's behavior.

On the other hand, you might be right.
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@Ayyantu
How many scum is normal in 12 players?
Two or three.
Speed/Intelligence is plausible team.
Speed is always plausibly scum until proven otherwise.
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@SirAnonymous
How could a townie ever come to the conclusion I was being defensive?