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@SirAnonymous
Why are you voting for Intelligence?
Why are you not voting for anyone?
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@Crocodile
why is intelligence scum
Did I say that?
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@Danielle
Why are you voting for Intelligence?Why are you not voting for anyone?
Because I haven't made up my mind about who to vote for yet.
Why are you voting for Intelligence?
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@SirAnonymous
It sounds like you're looking for "evidence" to justify a vote on the first day phase. Why? It's not a vote to lynch. It's a vote for a claim. DP1 requires players like me to move the game along by voting so players like you can participate by questioning why. Otherwise nothing happens. You're welcome :)
I decided Intelligence was the person I wanted to pressure for a claim after the first 70 posts were made. At this point there's been 100+ additional posts and you still haven't determined whose claim you want? How is that helpful? What exactly would compel you to vote for someone's claim DP1? When you commit to voting for someone I'll explain why I started with Intelligence and you can explain why you started with the person you choose.
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@Danielle
Why? It's not a vote to lynch. It's a vote for a claim.
Ok.
DP1 requires players like me to move the game along by voting so players like you can participate by questioning why. Otherwise nothing happens. You're welcome :)
Sorry. I know I'm not very useful at moving the game along.
At this point there's been 100+ additional posts and you still haven't determined whose claim you want? How is that helpful? What exactly would compel you to vote for someone's claim DP1?
To be quite honest, I'm not sure that I've even heard about trying to get someone's claim in DP1 or why that's useful. Or if I have, I didn't recognize it as such. I usually use DP1 to vote for whoever I find scummiest. Maybe that's suboptimal. I don't know. I have enough experience to not be a noob but not enough to be very good.
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@Crocodile
yes.
tbh DP1 is one of the less useful DP in terms of gathering information.
i suggest we vtnl
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@BearMan
tbh DP1 is one of the less useful DP in terms of gathering information.
You've already put 3 people in your lean-town pile. Or did you make that up?
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@Danielle
I mean usually.
I didn't make it up, I just said what was obvious lol
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@BearMan
I see. Why not vote Intelligence for a claim?
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@Danielle
that part was for bearman srry
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@Danielle
It's not enough to warrant a lynch. My reasoning for lean-scumming Intel was that I would think mafia would just let Ayyantu be lynched by him/herself. Since Intel was just giving a slight passive push in an Ayyantu lynch, he seems a bit scummy. This is just a thought though so not enough to warrant a lynch.
I have a reason to believe Ayyantu is not scum, meaning I think that Intel is in the slightest bit scummy.
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@BearMan
I have a reason to believe Ayyantu is not scum, meaning I think that Intel is in the slightest bit scummy.
Why not Supa then? He's the one whose been obsessing over Ayyantu.
It's not enough to warrant a lynch.
I never said to vote Intelligence for death. I said why don't you vote him for a CLAIM?
Lol I'm going back into my hole and not posting anymore on DP1 until later. I can't stand when people play dumb and refuse to do anything. Good luck! Let me know when you're all convinced someone is scum. Tag me if you need me.
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@BearMan
Why do you assume it's obvious
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@Danielle
I know I've been a bit more on Ayyantu in DP1 than normal, but it's so hard for me to shake this as noob town when he has played mafia before but is suggesting anti town things. Idk
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@Danielle
Why not Supa then? He's the one whose been obsessing over Ayyantu.
Mafia doesn't need to give a big push to Ayyantu, that would be risky asf. Giving a slight push is less risky, and still puts town in the wrong direction.
I never said to vote Intelligence for death. I said why don't you vote him for a CLAIM?
Oops vtl intel
I also have a slight FoS on Sir. He seems to be not really having direct reads at all and just seems to be looking for something to wagon on
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@Vader
I mean it is, isn't it?
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@Vader
I know I've been a bit more on Ayyantu in DP1 than normal, but it's so hard for me to shake this as noob town when he has played mafia before but is suggesting anti town things. Idk
I understand. He didn't say he was a noob though. He's been emphasizing that he isn't (which is obvious). So the question is could you see experienced mafia behaving the way he is? If the answer is yes then keep your vote. It's not a bad vote. I just don't think it's a good vote. But what do I know - I'm over here voting for a claim when apparently the SOP on DART is to only cast day phase 1 votes for death. Weird!
Like I said I'ma hang back. Tag me if ya'll need me to change my vote.
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@BearMan
Well there could be another role that's similar to Tracker no one has CC'd
Speed is just your behavioral read which isn't obvious
Ayyantu is also a read. That doesn't mean they can't be scum
So you have a lean town on them
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@Vader
It's obvious they are lean town
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@Danielle
But what do I know - I'm over here voting for a claim when apparently the SOP on DART is to only cast day phase 1 votes for death. Weird!
I'd disagree with this. I think people put votes for claims, but are just more eager to lynch on DP1 based on behavior. I've seen a couple of games where once someone role claimed, pressure shifted to another player. So honestly I don't thats SOP for DART imo depending on the player base
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@BearMan
You said this in a response to Danielle
I didn't make it up, I just said what was obvious lol
You are saying it is obvious they lean town? You'd be objectively wrong because it is not obvious since we do not know scum. You and I and everyone have different ways of beliefs to determine how we get to scum. How is it obvious they lean town? And even so you are comparing two opposites. Leans and obvious are direct contradictions. If it is obvious they lean town then how are they not town? The line doesn't make sense
#202 is supposed to say i don't think thats SOP
Vote Count:
Ayyantu (3/6) - Water, Supa, Intel
Intelligence (3/6) - Greyparrot, Danielle, BearMan
WaterPhoenix (1/6) - Lunatic
Lunatic (1/6) - Croc
Supa (1/6) - Ayyantu
11,000. God bless mafia
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@Vader
Obvious town is not obvious lean-town.
Obvious and lean are not contradicting adjectives.
Obvious: 1: easily discovered, seen, or understood
Lean: 3: to incline in opinion
You can be an obvious lean-town with perfect sense.
Obvious is also subjective, not objective. I thought everyone knew it was obvious, but apparently not. You also make sure to say I'm objectively wrong which is also false. If It is obvious someone is lean-town to you, it doesn't mean they are truly lean-town, it doesn't mean it's right, it just means that them being lean town is easily discovered, seen, or understood.
Obvious town is not obvious lean-town.Obvious and lean are not contradicting adjectives.Obvious: 1: easily discovered, seen, or understoodLean: 3: to incline in opinionYou can be an obvious lean-town with perfect sense.
But you are not presenting easily discovered, seen, or understood. You are using the evidence you believe as evidence as a whole to match your philosophy.
Obvious is also subjective, not objective.
But it is not obvious and I disagree with this but I refuse to get into a debate about terminology
I thought everyone knew it was obvious, but apparently not. You also make sure to say I'm objectively wrong which is also false. If It is obvious someone is lean-town to you, it doesn't mean they are truly lean-town, it doesn't mean it's right, it just means that them being lean town is easily discovered, seen, or understood.
But obvious means it is known by all. This means it is not obvious but your opinion, therefore you are wrong
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@Vader
Obvious does not mean in any cases "known by all." There are rarely any cases with subjective "obviousness." Though, one can assume that a group of people will understand what they perceive as obvious.
Obvious is also more proven subjective by its very definition of "easily understood. or seen" Not everybody understands the same, not everybody sees the same.
This means it is not obvious but your opinion, therefore you are wrong
Exactly, meaning obvious is subjective. My opinion also doesn't mean I'm wrong. In my opinion, it is obvious, in your opinion it is not, in other people's it may differ from yours or mine. Saying that it is objectively false to say something is "obvious" is false.
Whether you perceive it as obvious or not is beyond me when you haven't reacted to it at all before I wrote what I wrote.
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@Ayyantu
I explained above. I guess you're having trouble understanding why I town read someone who attacked me. It's because I expect town to get things wrong & I assume at least some of the players pushing me are town.
ok, but as i explained above, why is it croc who's the one out of the players pushing you who's town?