Dems are only happy because Trump is out. They need to be in panic mode for 2024. The fact this might a 270-268 electoral college with the most hated/loved politician where Latinos turned up in higher %'s for Trump than Biden is terrifying. The fact the Dems LOST House seats should be a Red Flag. Honestly, if I were to go into 2024 for the GOP, I would choose Rubio. Strong Latino command. You could even put Cruz, but he's too conservative and dislikeable
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@Mopac
All I know is that the argument has been presented to me in such a way as to seem convincing enough to not immediately dismiss.
ok, but since there is no evidence that such an argument is true, again that says more about you than about the conspiracy theory.
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@Vader
Dems are only happy because Trump is out.
Correct.
Latinos turned up in higher %'s for Trump than Biden is terrifying.
That's not true. Just like the "silent majority" was never true.
More Latinos showed up for Trump than showed up for him in 2016, but Biden still has more Latinos.
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@HistoryBuff
The fact that you dismiss evidence simply because it doesn't act as proof says a lot about you.
I presented evidence. That being, massive vote dumps.
Look at the picture on top of this article.
That is weird.
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@Mopac
The charts aren't very convincing. The underlying reports of the vote counts which caused the observed changes on the graphs would be more convincing and should be reasonably available.
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@Death23
Well, if you know where these reports are, you should present them here.
It could clear up a great deal.
I'm on an airplane right now that is about to leave.
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@Mopac
According to the NYT, the data they're receiving is coming from here:
Source: Election results from National Election Pool/Edison Research
I surmise that this is a paid data source where media outlets pay for the information, or something like that. I also surmise that the data source from the graphs is likely the same source, or at least both sources have similar information.
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@Death23
Super lame
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@Mopac
If I were to look in to it, I would request the logs of the voting data reports from those who have access to the data streams. Requesting this data from multiple neutral sources, and likely then consider multiple factors, such as whether or not the reports were consistent with other reports from the location or what would be reasonably expected from the location based on prior reports, particularly the 2016 election. The types of ballots, whether or not there were election monitors from both parties present, etc. But, I'm too lazy really.
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@Mopac
The fact that you dismiss evidence simply because it doesn't act as proof says a lot about you.
are you even trying to make sense? evidence and proof are pretty much the same thing. And there is neither for election conspiracy theories the right is pushing. There is conjecture and nonsense.
I presented evidence. That being, massive vote dumps.
you presented evidence that votes had been counted. That is exactly what is supposed to happen.
Look at the picture on top of this article.That is weird.
it took me less than 30 seconds to find the logical explanation for this so called "evidence". here you go. There was a temporary error in unofficial numbers (ie they would have been checked before becoming official numbers) that was quickly corrected. you really should look into things before you buy into conspiracy theories.
If Biden gets PA Biden wins.
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@HistoryBuff
Evidence and proof are not the same thing.
Proof is evidence that leads to one changing their
mind.
And nothing has been settled yet. It is totally reasonable to think election fraud could happen.
Especially since, you know, I've hung around anarchists most of my life and there are people caufht on videk and audio bragging about doing these kinds of things. Also, as I've said before, even when I was in public school they taught us about the history of election fraud in Chicago.
It is totally reasonable to believe these things still happen, especially in today's environment that is a great deal more politically polarized.
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@Death23
This makes a better case than being a smug asshole, for sure.
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@Mopac
And nothing has been settled yet. It is totally reasonable to think election fraud could happen.
not really. there is huge amounts of time and energy put into preventing that. So if you want people to believe that it happened, you need proof. at the moment there is no evidence fraud occurred.
Especially since, you know, I've hung around anarchists most of my life and there are people caufht on videk and audio bragging about doing these kinds of things.
there are people caught on video bragging they've seen big foot, or been abducted by aliens. that isn't evidence.
Also, as I've said before, even when I was in public school they taught us about the history of election fraud in Chicago.
I don't know what history you mean, but even if something happened at one point in the past, that is still not evidence it happens now. Mongols used to burn cities, that isn't evidence they are going to burn down them down now.
It is totally reasonable to believe these things still happen, especially in today's environment that is a great deal more politically polarized.
so your argument, is that someone might want to commit fraud, so we should all believe that they did, even though there are lots of measures in place to prevent it, and there is no evidence that anyone did. That doesn't make sense. there is no evidence fraud occurred, so it doesn't make sense to just assume it did. And it is very dangerous for people to go around claiming that it did because it stokes more polarization and violence when people reject democratic elections.
I think Biden will likely win GA narrowly, just based off of which counties the missing votes are coming from. It's pretty much game over at that point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
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@HistoryBuff
I walk around town and see signs posted up everywhere saying that elections don't matter and the people need to rise up. These signs are posted everywhere by communist groups.
Calling everyone who doesn't support your insane politics a racist nazi is polarizing. The same people who do these things commit violence.
I am not one of these people.
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@Mopac
I walk around town and see signs posted up everywhere saying that elections don't matter and the people need to rise up. These signs are posted everywhere by communist groups.
I don't know what signs or what "communist groups" you are talking about. for all I know you are making it up. so i can't really comment on this.
Calling everyone who doesn't support your insane politics a racist nazi is polarizing.
I agree. But when people do and say racist things, calling them out for being racist isn't "polarizing" it is reality. And there are a number of striking comparisons between trump and the Nazi's. But I agree that it is polarizing and often not constructive.
The same people who do these things commit violence.
I haven't seen evidence of that. But i've seen lots of right wing loons using threats and violence.
I am not one of these people.
you are spreading lies and misinformation calling elections into question. Right wing loons will use these popularly believed lies to justify violence. Helping to spread this misinformation makes you complicit in this. Even if you don't personally carry out that violence, you are helping them by spreading their misinformation.
If you take a few minutes to look around you can find the explanation for why all the "evidence" is either normal election procedure or has a very simple explanation (like a small error by a county official that was quickly corrected). There is no excuse for spreading this crap.
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@HistoryBuff
Walk around the east side of Austin. Signs everywhere.
But I don't feel guilty. I've had left wing fear mongering rammed down my throat for the last 5 years. At my old job, I had to watch CNN all day. This was pretty much my primary exposure. They really do report a bunch of divisive rhetoric, and the people who take to the street go off what they say. They don't even report the news, it's all political. I've watched enough CNN to figure out that not only are they not honest, but they aren't even good at hiding it.
Don't really care what the left has to say anymore.
I wouldn't put it past them to rig an election. I'm not about to be guilted by a bunch of rock throwing hypocrites who live in a glass house.
On that note, for all their accusations of racism toward the right, I personally think the left sounds more racist. I think they sound more divisive. I think they are the ones motivated by hate. I don't buy into their story. The way they act, right wing conspiracies painting them as pedophilic Chinese agents who worship the devil don't even seem that implausible!
I'm not with any of these people either! I think they are all assholes, and this is what you want. Eventually, you will lose your republic, and tyranny will reign. It doesn't matter who wi s at this point!
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@Mopac
Walk around the east side of Austin. Signs everywhere.
i don't live in Austin so i have no way of confirming your assertion.
They really do report a bunch of divisive rhetoric, and the people who take to the street go off what they say. They don't even report the news, it's all political. I've watched enough CNN to figure out that not only are they not honest, but they aren't even good at hiding it.
I agree they are biased. but that does not mean they traffic in misinformation and conspiracy theories like Fox and OAN do.
Don't really care what the left has to say anymore. I wouldn't put it past them to rig an election. I'm not about to be guilted by a bunch of rock throwing hypocrites who live in a glass house.
again, that says alot more about you than anything else. You see people with progressive views as "the other". And you choose to interpret their actions as suspicious or malicious despite having to reason to do so. That is an emotional response based in right wing fear mongering.
On that note, for all their accusations of racism toward the right, I personally think the left sounds more racist. I think they sound more divisive. I think they are the ones motivated by hate. I don't buy into their story.
I don't see how trying to help or protect persecuted minorities is racist.
The way they act, right wing conspiracies painting them as pedophilic Chinese agents who worship the devil don't even seem that implausible!
where are you getting those fake accusations. it's right wing loons that think there are pedophilia rings in pizza places.
edit: i think i misunderstood this when i answered originally. Basically you are saying you agree that complete nonsense conspiracies with absolutely no evidence to support them sound plausible. again, that says you are disconnected from reality and choose to believe things based on an emotional response even though they don;t make sense.
I'm not with any of these people either! I think they are all assholes, and this is what you want. Eventually, you will lose your republic, and tyranny will reign. It doesn't matter who wi s at this point!
this doesn't make any sense. the right is constantly attacking the political process, undermining the system and using corrupt means to rig it in their favor (gerrymandering, voter suppression etc). But for some reason it is the left that you fear.
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@HistoryBuff
There is plenty of misinformation perpetuated on both sides. Don't kid yourself.
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@HistoryBuff
And I do see the left as other, because I certainly don't stand with baby killers. I also find their rhetoric racist. They talk of "the black community" and "the hispanic community" as if these demographics are all homogenized and not diverse. I find it offensive that conservative blacks are called uncle Toms. I don't stand with these people at all. I think they are crazy. Besides that, I have only one political viewpoint. I am anti-socialist/communist. Why? Because communists have commited genocides against my people, and did everything they could get away with to destroy us! Why wouldn't I be against these people? They are a threat to my people's existence.
There was a time when Republicans and Democrats were really not all that different. You could actually be a Democrat who stood against abortion! Not anymore. It's all party line.
Democrips and Rebloodicans. Political gangsters. I don't care for any of them. That said, one party in so many different way sets itself in opposition to my values.
I'll give you a hint. It's the party of the confederacy. It's the party of the KKK. It's the party of Jim Crow. It's the party of child sacrifice. The party of censorship.
And I don't really care what you think about that. Certainly you have a right to your viewpoint, and I respect that. I don't see thimgs the same way.
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@Mopac
And I do see the left as other, because I certainly don't stand with baby killers
That would seem to be a very emotional response. You see them as the other because they value the rights of a human woman over that of a fetus.
I also find their rhetoric racist. They talk of "the black community" and "the hispanic community" as if these demographics are all homogenized and not diverse.
Chicago is a community. No one thinks that is racist because everyone understands there are different sub-groups to "people who live in Chicago". Since black and hispanic communities (as well as others) have been historically targeted and suppressed by the wider population, this has built a certain identity into those groups. but referring to a community of black people does not meant they are homogenized and not diverse. you are choosing to see it that way.
I am anti-socialist/communist. Why? Because communists have commited genocides against my people, and did everything they could get away with to destroy us! Why wouldn't I be against these people? They are a threat to my people's existence.
That's a bit like saying you are anti USSR. The soviets are history. Communism is pretty much dead. I'm sure there are still a few who advocate for it. but it is by no means a popular things. So why would you be afraid of a tiny fringe group?
There was a time when Republicans and Democrats were really not all that different
that time is today. They are extremely similar on alot of issues.
You could actually be a Democrat who stood against abortion! Not anymore. It's all party line.
well considering the majority of americans, and the overwhelming majority of democrats believe that women should have the right to choose, where is the problem with that?
I'll give you a hint. It's the party of the confederacy. It's the party of the KKK. It's the party of Jim Crow. It's the party of child sacrifice. The party of censorship.
so the republicans? Trump has the support of the KKK. They engage in fear mongering and targeting minorities and suppressing their rights. They lock children in cages. Trump regularly attacks anyone who dares to question them. He was insulting Fox for not being loyal enough just the other day. Everything you say you disagree with describes the republicans.
GA IS TURNING BLUE GUYS GA IS TURNING BLUE!!!!!!
At this point if biden keeps NV then he wins. With this he also has a shot at PA.
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@Death23
military ballots have yet to be counted in Georgia. of course atlanta pulled shady crap and a lawsiut will come
if enough ballots get discared and a recount is issued, trump could win it
Biden is leading in PA and GA. It's pretty much over for Trump.
what did you expect? of course trump's supporters are prone to being gullible, believing in conspiracy theories, and lacking critical thinking.... if they weren't, they wouldn't have voted for trump to begin with. if the situation were reversed, there might be a few odd ball blue voters crying fraud, but it wouldn't be nearly on the same scale.
This has been the longest goddamn motherfucking week of my goddamn motherfucking life.