Riddle Mafia - Day Phase 1

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Get a lynch on him and see if it's in shambles. You won't be able to 

I don't think there is a way in hell danielle just auto town confirms you for balancing purposes. 

I also think there are ways we can evaluate his claim without having to waste 2 dayphases. I don't buy he's fake claiming for all the aforementioned reasons. 

To fake claim as scum he has to be willing to die and have a role that would make it worth.  Don't buy it as his first post without seeing how the game unfolds 

To fake claim as town is just stupid which is still possible but either way don't want to lynch it. 

So I'm going to keep assuming he's telling the truth 

If you think your case is good , get town to lynch him and lead them off a cliff or on a 2 dayphases journey where we probably end up in mylo. 


I think they are smart enough to ignore your push. 


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Leaving work and will be on bdo for the remainder of the night 

@mod time check

I'll post either really late tonight or early tomorrow. My vote is staying in luna for the reasons above 


I think it's shady af that he didn't even question the idea he's town confirmed when I view him as the type of player who would question someone else about it 

It feels like he's fishing for 2 days of fuckery knowing pie is telling the truth. 

On you guys now. 


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VTL Mikal
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@Mikal
Get a lynch on him and see if it's in shambles. You won't be able to 
I mean, we are pretty close to it already, but okay.

I don't think there is a way in hell danielle just auto town confirms you for balancing purposes. 

Well you are wrong. Sad thing is it would take a mislynch for you to see it and considering how sacred you thought those were earlier one when you were arguing, I would think that would be a big deal to you. But it's not because how dare someone contradict your silly, wild, conspiracy theory lol.

I also think there are ways we can evaluate his claim without having to waste 2 dayphases. I don't buy he's fake claiming for all the aforementioned reasons. 
Lynching him day phase 1 doesn't necessarily mean we will waste two day phases. I've explained why 100 times now you just don't wanna see it.

To fake claim as scum he has to be willing to die and have a role that would make it worth.  Don't buy it as his first post without seeing how the game unfolds 
This logic is exactly how scum almost won in dp3 of the last game lol. I would have never been tested if I didn't decide to town side, and mafia could have easily won.

To fake claim as town is just stupid which is still possible but either way don't want to lynch it. 
You are right. To fake claim this as town is stupid. It's more likely he is scum fake claiming. If he's hunter we will find out shortly.

So I'm going to keep assuming he's telling the truth 
Ignorance is a plague.

If you think your case is good , get town to lynch him and lead them off a cliff or on a 2 dayphases journey where we probably end up in mylo. 
Imagine town reading someone as stupid townie so much that you ignore a bunch of other possibilities that don't fit your narrative. That is stubborn beyond belief.
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we gotta lynch pie today. We can look into mikal later. Mikal does this type of dumb stuff as town too though. I had to power role claim once in a forum game on mafiascum because he was too tunnel vision to catch an onslaught of hints thrown at him. Also you've played enough live mafia with mikal to know he latches on to dumb shit and ignores what doesn't fit his narrative to the point where he will push for the thing he wants until it happens. It usually results in plenty of mislynches, but god forbid the few times he is right gives him a god complex so he continues to play like that.
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UVC


SirAnon (Greyparrot) -- 1/6 votes 
Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Lunatic) -- 3/6 votes 
Hamburgler (Pie) -- 1/6 votes 
Lunatic (Hamburgler) -- 1/6 votes 
Mikal (speedrace) -- 1/6- Speedrace

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Hamburgler (Pie) -- 1/6 votes 
Mikal (speedrace) -- 1/6- Speedrace
Shouldn't that be 2/6?
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@Lunatic
I think there is a 0 % chance this is likely, and I think deep down you do to.
I would recommend against a career in mind-reading.
The only town motives he has behaviorally for acting the way he is, is if he is hunter or saulus. 
That's possible, but it's also possible that he's just being dumb town.
In which case lynching him is still the appropriate move.
The trouble with lynching Pie is that we would have to do it twice. I think it's quite possible that you're right and that we should lynch him. However, I think stupid town is more likely. If lynching Pie once was sufficient, I'd probably vote for him. But since we would need to lynch him twice, I think the risk outweighs the gain.
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SirAnon (Greyparrot) -- 1/6 votes 
Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Lunatic) -- 3/6 votes 
Hamburgler (Pie, speedrace) -- 2/6 votes 
Lunatic (Hamburgler) -- 1/6 votes 



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I mean it's literally riddle mafia so I fully expected riddles and clues and some tomfoolery 
I feel dumb for not noticing that. I think that makes Mikal's theory much less likely.
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Why Mikal?
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@Greyparrot
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What are your thoughts on Lunatic and Pie?
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I would recommend against a career in mind-reading.
I don't even remember what this is in reference to.

That's possible, but it's also possible that he's just being dumb town.
Pie can be a bit stubborn, but I wouldn't call him dumb.

The trouble with lynching Pie is that we would have to do it twice
Not neccesarily; This is where you are buying what mike is throwing down without questioning it. If he's hunter, than nope. If he is saulus or judas, we have to lynch him for accurate cop results, both of which can clear pie for tomorrow, or suggest he is a lynch. We only have to lynch him twice if there are no results confirming him, and buy into the 1x lynchproof theory. 

 think it's quite possible that you're right and that we should lynch him. However, I think stupid town is more likely. If lynching Pie once was sufficient, I'd probably vote for him. But since we would need to lynch him twice, I think the risk outweighs the gain.
Why is stupid townie more likely than any of the other options? Because you want it to be? I can't believe mike is selling people on this faulty logic. lol
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Bummer. I think the moderation has gotten a bit stricter
To be clear, moderation made no evaluation or determination in the matter.  GreyParrot complained that he felt personally attacked by me and Ragnar asked me to voluntarily refrain from addressing GP's arguments in the forums.  I did say that the ghost of George Orwell was kicking him the balls for daring to use his name while promoting government propaganda but I think that's a pretty obvious rhetorical flourish that GP is now dishonestly exploiting because he couldn't find a good counterargument on InfoWars to cut and paste.
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Any of you able to talk some sense into these people about testing the lynch proof?

I feel like I'm smashing my head into dry wall talking to them.
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We should test pie

VTL PIE
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Considering how much I disliked your playstyle at the end of the last year, it's ironic your now one of my favorites lol. 
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This is where you are buying what mike is throwing down without questioning it.
I'm not unquestionably buying anything. My conclusions are my own.
We only have to lynch him twice if there are no results confirming him, and buy into the 1x lynchproof theory. 
I do see your point that we might not have to lynch him twice. However, lynching him once only gains us anything if we get results or if he has this or that role. That's a gamble. It might be the right gamble, though. I'm not sure.
Why is stupid townie more likely than any of the other options? Because you want it to be?
No. Because more people are town than are scum. Pie is too eager to be lynched. That's suspicious; it's far from conclusive.

All that is to say that you could be right about lynching him, but I'm not sure. However, I do know one way to be a little more sure.
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At this point, I think town just needs to know. Are you 1x?
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Eh, you inspired me to be a better team player
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Pie (Intelligence, Supa, Lunatic, Greyparrot) -- 4/6 votes 
Hamburgler (Pie, Speedrace) -- 2/6 votes 
Lunatic (Hamburgler) -- 1/6 votes 


 SirAnonymous, Misterchris, Magic, oromagi 

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@Lunatic
Any of you able to talk some sense into these people about testing the lynch proof?

I feel like I'm smashing my head into dry wall talking to them.
If you think he is SCUM and he is obviously looking for a lynch, why do want to lynch him?  I think he is obviously lying and obviously a PR (Bearman's Rule of Pie) but Pie is usually more risk adverse when playing scum. .

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didn't you say something about doubting Pie's claim all the more because of your role?  Care to explain that?  Is your role lynch specific?
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does anybody else want to claim a lynch activated role?
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TOWN
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SCUM


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I 'm not unquestionably buying anything. My conclusions are my own.
Okay then so why delete the part that proves him wrong then? 

If he's hunter, than nope. If he is saulus or judas, we have to lynch him for accurate cop results, both of which can clear pie for tomorrow, or suggest he is a lynch. We only have to lynch him twice if there are no results confirming him, and buy into the 1x lynchproof theory. 

I do see your point that we might not have to lynch him twice. However, lynching him once only gains us anything if we get results or if he has this or that role. That's a gamble. It might be the right gamble, though. I'm not sure.
Is there an alternative lynch that you feel is solid enough to detract from the importance of testing pie? What are the consequences? This day phase all it results in is a no lynch if he's telling the truth. If you don't want to test him day phase 2 considering he wasn't hunter or jester and there are no results, than make that case there. I just don't see a reason not to lynch or test him today. There literally is no good reason other than someone else scum slipping or being mod confirmed scum or something.

No. Because more people are town than are scum. Pie is too eager to be lynched. That's suspicious; it's far from conclusive.
Did I say it was conclusive? Nothing is ever conclusive, especially day phase 1. Results can be tampered with. I know this better than anyone. Regardless, you can't deny his behavior doesn't make sense if he's telling the truth. It's more likely a scum gambit, or a town gambit, but even if it is a town gambit, it relies us lynching him for it to work. I need a solid reason not to lynch him today. If you wanna argue about tomorrow, do that then. Why not today though? Waste of a lynch? Whose your alternative? 


All that is to say that you could be right about lynching him, but I'm not sure. However, I do know one way to be a little more sure.
Asking pie for more info on his role is pointless, IMO. If he is claiming lynchproof he literally has no incentive to be active or give any more info than necessary until he is close to being lynched dp2.
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We should test pie
It's beginning to look like it will be Pie or no one at all. If that does turn out to be the case, I think we may as well test Pie.
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If you think he is SCUM and he is obviously looking for a lynch, why do want to lynch him?  I think he is obviously lying and obviously a PR (Bearman's Rule of Pie) but Pie is usually more risk adverse when playing scum. .
It's not about whether I think he is scum, my arguments thus far about about pointing out all the utility in testing his claim.

If he is saulas, or hunter, his motivations make sense as town. We still need to lynch him, if he is hunter he wants to use his role. If he is saulus, it helps to have him win with town early and a cop can potentially verify him. If he isn't lynched and is saulus he just will look guilty on a cop report and we made no progress and wasted an investigation.

If he is jester, he is scum, and I think mostly people don't care about losing to a dp1 winning jester and just going for second place.

If he is Judas, and copped tonight, we will know to lynch him again. 

If there is a vig or other killing role they can potentially test deathproof after we lynch him.

We lose nothing from lynching him today, and everything from doing it.
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Okay then so why delete the part that proves him wrong then? 
Brevity. Really, that was as much thought as I put into it.
Is there an alternative lynch that you feel is solid enough to detract from the importance of testing pie?
No.
What are the consequences?
Unless he's a jester, not a lot, I suppose.
Regardless, you can't deny his behavior doesn't make sense if he's telling the truth.
Which is why I haven't denied it. His behavior is dumb at best, scummy at worst.
I need a solid reason not to lynch him today.
Now that I think about it, I guess I don't really have one.

VTL Pie
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Yes but in death