Riddle Mafia - Day Phase 1

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Played with Luna enough to know he questions everything. Also this gambit is up his alley. 

That riddle is bastard modding period. If written by the mod. 


Its way to obvious. 


Either insta kills a townie first np
Or brings susc to them as scum 

It's why I think mafia could submit it. 


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Yes, they are my words. However, confirming town goes hand in hand with POE. Again, I'm not saying it's a good reason. I'm just saying it's a reason that might make Pie think it's a good idea if he didn't put much thought into it.
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Don't see danielle auto confirming a townie dp1 

But luna's death lets us see the accuracy of these riddles so we aren't debating them. 

Magics summary is pretty spot on. 

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Played with Luna enough to know he questions everything. Also this gambit is up his alley. 

Gambit, what gambit?!


That riddle is bastard modding period. If written by the mod. 
Is the role "innocent townie" bastard?

Either insta kills a townie first np
There in proves why it isn't bastard lol.


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Don't see danielle auto confirming a townie dp1 

But luna's death lets us see the accuracy of these riddles so we aren't debating them. 

Magics summary is pretty spot on. 

You not wanting to believe the riddle means I am at best null lol. You need an actual behavioral reason in order to pursue a lynch. One based on logic, not one that ignores that a plethora of roles exist to support your theory that pie is an idiotic and un helpful townie.
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I'm saying I can't see a mod writing something that is so obvious that it would auto kill you. I can see her giving mafia the option to submit something and writing out something like that and trying to run with it is something you would do. 

The main thing is your death allows us to confirm the validity of the riddles and whether or not we can trust them. 

The scum read is you not even second guessing it and just being like 

"Yep ....hehe ....I'm town confirmed "



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@Mikal
Played with Luna enough to know he questions everything. Also this gambit is up his alley. 

That riddle is bastard modding period. If written by the mod. 


Its way to obvious. 


Either insta kills a townie first np
Or brings susc to them as scum 

It's why I think mafia could submit it. 
That makes lots of sense and no sense at the same time. The riddle, wherever it comes from, is totally bizarre. It's not something I would expect a mod to do, especially without announcing that there would be special rules like that before hand. On the other hand, it seems even more ridiculous that a mod would allow scum to put words in the mod's mouth.
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Said it multiple times and just typed it above this. You accepting it and not even thinking to question it bugs me. 
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We had these roles a lot. Both on mafia scum and in live. 
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Yes, they are my words. However, confirming town goes hand in hand with POE. Again, I'm not saying it's a good reason. I'm just saying it's a reason that might make Pie think it's a good idea if he didn't put much thought into it.
I think there is a 0 % chance this is likely, and I think deep down you do to. The only town motives he has behaviorally for acting the way he is, is if he is hunter or saulus. In which case lynching him is still the appropriate move.
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Input now , you trump loving cunt nugget 
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Wana hear a conspiracy theory 

Luna and pie are both scum 

Luna town confirms himself via that submission of the text the mod put and leads the lynch on pie because he's a mafia hunter (it's why he keeps bringing up the role)

Town confirms luna via text and via him pushing the lynch due to a bus. 

Also allows mafia a extra kill 


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Danille has PM'd to say

"Greyparrot confirmed he has no problem with you talking to him in the game (he even said you can harass him in the game, though I would advise against it)."

I am willing to rejoin the game but I think moderation should carefully note how his willingness to engage here undermines GreyParrot's phony claim of cyberbullying when debating topics in the forums. After all,  If Greyparrot's fear of abuse were in any way honest, he wouldn't care whether the context of the forum was gaming or debate.  Greyparrot would be made uncomfortable by abuse in either context.  

Greyparrot is pretending to be offended because I made his fake news seem foolish in another forum and it is now clear that he is lying to moderation about his feelings in an effort to curtail my counterarguments in future postings. Nor for the first time- GreyParrot pretended tobe  offended by my use of third person grammar as his pretext for blocking me 6 months ago. 

Ironically,  GP was expressing much outage about censorship while actively seeking to censor dissenting opinion by false testimony. 

In light of GreyParrot's deceptive tactics, I strongly recommend that moderation rescind their request that I modify my behavior and instead caution GreyParrot against manipulating  the moderation system to gain rhetorical advantage in the forums.


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I don't see how you could actively scum read me based on not trusting the riddle lol. 

I do not scum read you for that. I do think you embraced it on the towns behalf too readily. But my main thought is lynching you informs us far more. 

But if you agree with him on anything related to not testing pie, then you have lost your marbles.
I agree with him on testing Pie in the sense that if we lynch Pie and he doesn't die, people will still be suspicious, which accomplishes nothing. We then spend the next DP arguing about what it does and doesn't mean. I don't agree with him that you wanting to lynch pie is scummy. My instinct was to lynch him too and I am still not sure I agree that him not dying doesn't confirm his affiliation or even tilt the read. But if the majority of players do not agree on that point then how does it help the team in hunting scum. It is not worth arguing about a thing like that for multiple DPs.

I mean I am town, so I know the riddle is correct. What universe would a townie being town confirmed not willingly embrace a town confirmation? Also I was more put off by it then I was was grateful to it as it denies likely longevity in the game.
My read of your typical play is that you as town would be more inclined to see the "town confirmed" riddle and react something like: "interesting, weird the mod would do that. I am town but that doesn't mean any of your should believe it necessarily."

So you would rather lynch a confirmed townie than someone who actively claimed a role dp1 instead of letting mafia waste a night kill on it to prove whether the hints are to be taken seriously or not. That is ridiculous.
I do not agree you are 100% confirmed town and certainly do not agree scum would kill you. I hate when people make NK predictions like that. We are almost always wrong because 1) we don't know who scum is, 2) we don't know the dyamics between the scum team, and 3) we don't know how their roles or knowledge are influencing their game
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I'm saying I can't see a mod writing something that is so obvious that it would auto kill you.
What about the innocent child role? What if it's to balance me being a potential power role? There are reasons to balance what she did, again, this logic is at best null.

 I can see her giving mafia the option to submit something and writing out something like that and trying to run with it is something you would do. 

It's a baseless gut theory. You can't logically pursue a lynch over an astromine level conspiracy theory lol. That's how me and max lost all our allies on conan.

The main thing is your death allows us to confirm the validity of the riddles and whether or not we can trust them. 
The consequences of being wrong don't support the benefit of taking what the mod says as prima facia true lol. You just waste a mislynch and go "okay cool now what" when you literally have the opportunity to test pie now with no consequences. I remember laughing to you and max playing BDO about how dumb town was not to test me and you agreeing with that. Why the 180 lol

The scum read is you not even second guessing it and just being like 

"Yep ....hehe ....I'm town confirmed "
I mean, I am town. Why would I second guess what I already know to be true from my role pm you dingus lol
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not one that ignores that a plethora of roles exist to support your theory that pie is an idiotic and un helpful townie.
I thought you were arguing at one point Pie as scum and lynching him twice. Did I misread that?
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That makes lots of sense and no sense at the same time. The riddle, wherever it comes from, is totally bizarre. It's not something I would expect a mod to do, especially without announcing that there would be special rules like that before hand. On the other hand, it seems even more ridiculous that a mod would allow scum to put words in the mod's mouth.
I mean it's literally riddle mafia so I fully expected riddles and clues and some tomfoolery 
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Nothing for days and then 300 posts in 3 hrs.
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The idea of not testing you in that game vs this is entirely different. There are different ways to solve it without testing the claim with the amount of players in it 

Why test it when other roles can likely solve it and save us multiple day phases. 

Also inno child flips third dp after multiple day phases where it can be night killed or lynched. This is basically the mod saying 

"Look a townie"



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Wtf...when I sleep y’all be posting truckloads of text 
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I'm going back and forth. I do not think scum could have written the riddle because it has other clues in it. Why would scum put other clues in. So that leaves danielle writing the riddle and giving a choice of riddles to the scum team? That seems possible, but again, there are other clues in the riddle, which would mean she would have either posted a riddle with multiple pieces of misinformation or with partial misinformation? 
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I do not scum read you for that. I do think you embraced it on the towns behalf too readily. But my main thought is lynching you informs us far more. 
You, like Mikal, are dis-regarding that there could be balanced reasons for the mod confirmation like me being a power role. Or the fact that innocent townie is already a common enough role that doesn't get discounted as OP. It also is likely danielle didn't think people would pick up on the riddle so fast.  "informs us far more" not really. You learn that the mod wasn't lying, which should have been pretty obvious already, and now you are down a mislynch, something that mikal seems to think is a big deal seeing as his whole case for not testing pie relies on not having enough mislynches to win the game lol.

I agree with him on testing Pie in the sense that if we lynch Pie and he doesn't die, people will still be suspicious, which accomplishes nothing. We then spend the next DP arguing about what it does and doesn't mean. I don't agree with him that you wanting to lynch pie is scummy. My instinct was to lynch him too and I am still not sure I agree that him not dying doesn't confirm his affiliation or even tilt the read. But if the majority of players do not agree on that point then how does it help the team in hunting scum. It is not worth arguing about a thing like that for multiple DPs.
Mikal himself is the one who pointed out that a cop could very easily solve the dilemma to the point where this isn't an issue dp2. But the cop investigation only works if we lynch him first, considering how I pointed out how many different post lynch affiliation changing roles there are. Chances are much better that this isn't an issue dp2 by testing him today. Not testing him today, means this will 100% be still an on going issue going into next day phase.

My read of your typical play is that you as town would be more inclined to see the "town confirmed" riddle and react something like: "interesting, weird the mod would do that. I am town but that doesn't mean any of your should believe it necessarily."

Where have I ever been town confirmed in the past and said anything like that? I don't think you can substantiate that I would have ever said something like what you suggest you think I would say. I think my response was perfectly normal in light of the fact I know I am actually town.

I do not agree you are 100% confirmed town and certainly do not agree scum would kill you. I hate when people make NK predictions like that. We are almost always wrong because 1) we don't know who scum is, 2) we don't know the dyamics between the scum team, and 3) we don't know how their roles or knowledge are influencing their game
It definitely paints a target on me, danielle's post. Though as I've pointed out, I think the FOS from you and mike actually helps my longevity, and considering it isn't particularly convincing, I don't see enough people getting on board with your logic to actually lynch me. I think your logic is doing me a favor if anything. That said, I do think you need to pull your head out of your butt enough to see that lynching pie is the right move here considering all the potential roles he could be. Lynching him also makes cop results more reliable, so there is almost no reason not to test him today.
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I thought you were arguing at one point Pie as scum and lynching him twice. Did I misread that?
No, I am still willing to double lynch him in the case that he is lynched, isn't jester, isn't copped or vigged tonight to further confirm. That said, there are a whole lot of ways that doesn't happen as I've just pointed out.
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Or scum just wrote random shit and put

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For fuckery

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How does the cop idea only work after we lynch him. What?? Lul
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@Mikal
The idea of not testing you in that game vs this is entirely different. There are different ways to solve it without testing the claim with the amount of players in it Why test it when other roles can likely solve it and save us multiple day phases.
It's the exact same, however if I was investigated at any point I would have looked guilty, even though I was playing saulus to a town meta. Lynching first and investigating second guarantees more reliable results. Also we don't know a vig exists, so we are still banking a lot on the cop here. Also you seem to ignore the possibility of a lawyer which also means that "testing" it by not lynching it is equally unreliable.

Also inno child flips third dp after multiple day phases where it can be night killed or lynched. This is basically the mod saying 

"Look a townie"

Some innocent townies are revealed day phase one, though it is more common for late game townies. Also you still are ignoring the potential for me being a townie power role, and that being that balance.

You are basically doing everything in your power to disregard anything that doesn't support your conspiracy theory.


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How does the cop idea only work after we lynch him. What?? Lul
Do you read anything I post, or just skim and start typing "He's contradicting me, I must reply, fvck knowing what he is actually trying to say!"?

Judas and saulas are both roles that change affiliation post lynch, but doesn't result in the person dying. 


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Def ignoring you being a pr and this for balance 

Lawyer can negate the result. We just don't say when we are investigating him. 

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I also want to drop this convo until pie responds. We are letting people slid under the radar and not have to contribute
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Def ignoring you being a pr and this for balance 
Ah yes, like you just ignored many other possibilities that contradict the thing you want to be true. This is like trump not being able to accept the election results because it doesn't fit his narrative lol. 

Lawyer can negate the result. We just don't say when we are investigating him. 
Your whole argument in favor of not testing pie banked on a cop or vig testing him tonight lol. Your case is in shambles my man.