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Ethang5:

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. 
— George Orwell

GO was a life-long socialist.

So?

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He wrote fairy tales as well!
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So?   Well, I had the impression you prefered to quote conservatives likeThatcher and Churchill.  You're not noted as a big fan of left-wing intellectuals.

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He wrote fairy tales as well!
Animal Farm isn't really a fairy story...




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Animal Farm isn't really a fairy story...

C.S.Lewis? No he didn't write that.
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So?  

Well, I had the impression you prefered to quote conservatives likeThatcher and Churchill.  You're not noted as a big fan of left-wing intellectuals.
It is a bit of a stretch to call him left-wing. But the quote was took conservative know-how. I loved the blunt truth of it.



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So?  

Well, I had the impression you prefered to quote conservatives likeThatcher and Churchill.  You're not noted as a big fan of left-wing intellectuals.
It is a bit of a stretch to call him left-wing. But the quote was took conservative know-how. I loved the blunt truth of it.



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Orwell was a socialist who abhorred the way Stalin perverted the ideals of Marx.   Animal Farm tells the story of how the socialist ideals of Old Major (Marx) cause a revolution.  A brief period of peace and plenty ensues until power is grabbed by Napoleon (Stalin)and the other pigs, leaving the other animals worse off than they were before.

It was a damning criticism of the russian regime, but not in any way a criticism of socialism or communism per se; indeed Orwell intended to show that Stalinism was a form of trannical dictatorship, not at all what socialism and communism should be.

I'd like to say that Orwell was an "anti-communist socialist", but I have to stress that the 'communism' he detested was a Stalinist perversion of Communism, not the Marxist/Leninist ideal.  


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As we can tell from his story that some think is a fairytale, (lol) and his quote, you are taking liberties with his position. I don't care either way. I just liked the quote.
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Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago.
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Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago.
When i read something like that I have to wonder if it's true and, if it is true, if it is really only liberals who are guilty of it.

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jibber jabber, gibber gabber, rumpty pumpty.
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Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. 

-C.S. Lewis
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In agony or danger, no nature is atheist. The mind that knows not what to fly to, flies to God.

- Hannah More
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Nature believes in god? Oh puuuhleeease.LOL
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Lol. Didn't notice the neon sign saying, "I don't understand the quote."
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Trolls are slow in the uptake, and mighty suspicious about anything new to them.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

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Arguing with an internet troll is like playing chess with a pigeon.

No matter how good you are at chess

The pigeon is only going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and then strut around acting like it won going, "Bwahahahaha!!


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Like trying desperately to claim the great George Orwell as a fellow wingnut.
You want pathetic, thang has it by the truckload.
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Bwahahahaha!!!
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"A little while ago certain doctors and other persons permitted by modern law to dictate to their shabbier fellow-citizens, sent out an order that all little girls should have their hair cut short. I mean, of course, all little girls whose parents were poor. Many very unhealthy habits are common among rich little girls, but it will be long before any doctors interfere forcibly with them. Now, the case for this particular interference was this, that the poor are pressed down from above into such stinking and suffocating underworlds of squalor, that poor people must not be allowed to have hair, because in their case it must mean lice in the hair. Therefore, the doctors propose to abolish the hair. It never seems to have occurred to them to abolish the lice. Yet it could be done. As is common in most modern discussions the unmentionable thing is the pivot of the whole discussion. It is obvious to any Christian man (that is, to any man with a free soul) that any coercion applied to a cabman's daughter ought, if possible, to be applied to a Cabinet Minister's daughter. I will not ask why the doctors do not, as a matter of fact apply their rule to a Cabinet Minister's daughter. I will not ask, because I know. They do not because they dare not. But what is the excuse they would urge, what is the plausible argument they would use, for thus cutting and clipping poor children and not rich? Their argument would be that the disease is more likely to be in the hair of poor people than of rich. And why? Because the poor children are forced (against all the instincts of the highly domestic working classes) to crowd together in close rooms under a wildly inefficient system of public instruction; and because in one out of the forty children there may be offense. And why? Because the poor man is so ground down by the great rents of the great ground landlords that his wife often has to work as well as he. Therefore she has no time to look after the children, therefore one in forty of them is dirty. Because the workingman has these two persons on top of him, the landlord sitting (literally) on his stomach, and the schoolmaster sitting (literally) on his head, the workingman must allow his little girl's hair, first to be neglected from poverty, next to be poisoned by promiscuity, and, lastly, to be abolished by hygiene. He, perhaps, was proud of his little girl's hair. But he does not count.

...It never seems to strike these people that the lesson of lice in the slums is the wrongness of slums, not the wrongness of hair. Hair is, to say the least of it, a rooted thing. Its enemy (like the other insects and oriental armies of whom we have spoken) sweep upon us but seldom. In truth, it is only by eternal institutions like hair that we can test passing institutions like empires. If a house is so built as to knock a man's head off when he enters it, it is built wrong.

The mob can never rebel unless it is conservative, at least enough to have conserved some reasons for rebelling. It is the most awful thought in all our anarchy, that most of the ancient blows struck for freedom would not be struck at all to-day, because of the obscuration of the clean, popular customs from which they came. The insult that brought down the hammer of Wat Tyler might now be called a medical examination. That which Virginius loathed and avenged as foul slavery might now be praised as free love. The cruel taunt of Foulon, "Let them eat grass," might now be represented as the dying cry of an idealistic vegetarian. Those great scissors of science that would snip off the curls of the poor little school children are ceaselessly snapping closer and closer to cut off all the corners and fringes of the arts and honors of the poor. Soon they will be twisting necks to suit clean collars, and hacking feet to fit new boots. It never seems to strike them that the body is more than raiment; that the Sabbath was made for man; that all institutions shall be judged and damned by whether they have fitted the normal flesh and spirit. It is the test of political sanity to keep your head. It is the test of artistic sanity to keep your hair on.

Now the whole parable and purpose of these last pages, and indeed of all these pages, is this: to assert that we must instantly begin all over again, and begin at the other end. I begin with a little girl's hair. That I know is a good thing at any rate. Whatever else is evil, the pride of a good mother in the beauty of her daughter is good. It is one of those adamantine tendernesses which are the touchstones of every age and race. If other things are against it, other things must go down. If landlords and laws and sciences are against it, landlords and laws and sciences must go down. With the red hair of one she-urchin in the gutter I will set fire to all modern civilization. Because a girl should have long hair, she should have clean hair; because she should have clean hair, she should not have an unclean home: because she should not have an unclean home, she should have a free and leisured mother; because she should have a free mother, she should not have an usurious landlord; because there should not be an usurious landlord, there should be a redistribution of property; because there should be a redistribution of property, there shall be a revolution. That little urchin with the gold-red hair, whom I have just watched toddling past my house, she shall not be lopped and lamed and altered; her hair shall not be cut short like a convict's; no, all the kingdoms of the earth shall be hacked about and mutilated to suit her. She is the human and sacred image; all around her the social fabric shall sway and split and fall; the pillars of society shall be shaken, and the roofs of ages come rushing down, and not one hair of her head shall be harmed."
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Chesterton didn't often make arguments FOR christianity, but this is a brilliant one.

Thanks.

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Never surrender your hopes and dreams to the fateful limitations others have placed on their own lives.

-Anthon St. Maarten

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Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life.

-Atributed to Aristotle 
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When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

-Attributed to Socrates 
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Both Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 read, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’”

Some take these verses to mean that atheists are stupid, i.e., lacking intelligence. However, that is not the only meaning of the Hebrew word translated “fool.” In this text, the Hebrew word is nabal, which often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth.

The meaning of the text is not “unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the text is “sinful people do not believe in God.” In other words, it is a wicked thing to deny God, and a denial of God is often accompanied by a wicked lifestyle.

The verse goes on to list some other characteristics of the irreligious: “They are corrupt; their deeds are vile; / there is no one who does good.” Psalm 14 is a study on the universal depravity of mankind.

Many atheists are very intelligent. It is not intelligence, or a lack thereof, that leads a person to reject belief in God. It is a lack of righteousness that leads a person to reject belief in God.

Many people do not object to the idea of a Creator, as long as that Creator minds His own business and leaves them alone. What people reject is the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. Rather than struggle against a guilty conscience, some people reject the idea of God altogether. Psalm 14:1 calls this type of person a “fool.”

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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

-Stephen Roberts
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Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions
-Blaise Pascal
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What people reject is the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. Rather than struggle against a guilty conscience, some people reject the idea of God altogether.
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"If there were no God, there would be no atheists."

- G.K. Chesterton