Hunter coverup getting scary.

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i have no idea what this lie you are referring to is. What were they lying about?

All they had to do is simply lie like Bill and Barry did and just say they care about the deplorable frackers.
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i have no idea what this lie you are referring to is. What were they lying about?
All they had to do is simply lie like Bill and Barry did and just say they care about the deplorable frackers.
you can care about people in a specific line of work and also know that this line of work is a big issue. Those 2 things are not in opposition to each other. I can care about the fracker and hate fracking. 
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 I can care about the fracker and hate fracking. 

Too bad Harris and Biden didn't feel the need to lie to them and make them feel good. Guess those electoral votes don't matter.
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I can care about the fracker and hate fracking. 
Too bad Harris and Biden didn't feel the need to lie to them and make them feel good. Guess those electoral votes don't matter.
you haven't established that anyone lied. The fracking industry causes huge damage. America needs to move away from this. The government should help provide assistance and training so that people in this destructive industry can find work in a better one. 

There is no need to lie to them. and there is no need to protect a destructive industry in the name of "jobs". 
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There is no need to lie to them.

ok
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There is no need to lie to them.
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but there absolutely is a need to transition away from such incredibly destructive industries. 
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but there absolutely is a need to transition away from such incredibly destructive industries. 

ok
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  • Even if we give Guiliani and Carlson maximum credit what we are left with is some circumstantial evidence that Hunter Biden likes porn and has the telephone numbers of many politicians.
    • Please explain why any newspaper should publish this? 
      • Where is any evidence of any crime (except that Guiliani is in possession of Hunter Biden's password info which does suggest a crime on the part of America's Mayor)
      • Yes, we know that Trumpets would like to embarrass Hunter because he is related to a political enemy but why is any of this newsworthy?

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What evidence is there that social media platforms have wiped the Hunter Biden story "nearly out of existence"?
Twitter Inc. on Friday unlocked the New York Post’s Twitter account, ending a [two week long] stalemate between the social-media company and the newspaper stemming from the latter’s publication of stories it said were based on documents obtained from the laptop of Hunter Biden. [**]

Facebook and Twitter took drastic measures to limit the reach of a disputed news story about Hunter Biden [**]
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Unfortunately, GP reported those posts you admired as cyberbullying. 

I am not on a restraining order but I've been asked by moderation to create a SAFE SPACE for GreyParrot and his fake news. 

Ironically, GP blocked me six months back for not addressing him directly and now he has demanded that I not address him at all.

Also ironically, in a forum where GP insists that his opinion is being censored on social media, GP has demanded social media censorship of contradictory opinion to protect his false opinions from being disproved.

 NOTIFICATION! Readers should be advised that Greyparrot has requested that a SAFE SPACE be created for his posts and opinions without challenge or contradiction from some select users of which I am one. Readers should understand that at least one post addressed to Greyparrot or addressing Greyparrot's opinion has been omitted here at the request of MODERATION.
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WTF.
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tl;dr: Please keep the topic(s) as the center of attention, instead of each other.

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Apologies for the delay, I've been insanely busy with RL...

Regarding #160

For reference, here are parts of the CoC which I believe may relate to concerns...


Extravagant lies, not to be confused with mere context issues, may rise to the level of constituting impersonation.
I do believe there are context issues, but not extravagant lies. FYI, that part of the CoC was put in place for bizarre over the top slander, not mere misrepresentation (again,  we put in "not to be confused with mere context issues" for good reason).


Targeted harassment of any member prohibited, as is inciting others to do so at your behest. This includes wishing or hoping that someone and/or their loved ones experiences physical harm.
The second part I certainly hope has not come up in anything related to this, but it serves dual purpose in suggesting a certain magnitude. As an example, Sean Connery certainly crosses the line with on SNL (notice the frequency of drifting off topic... key flaw in this example is that he is directly invited each time).


Creating threads to call-out specific users qualifies as targeted harassment, as does obsessive attempts to derail unrelated topics with impertinent grudges. However, criticising statements within an ongoing discussion, is fair game.
Added bold for emphasis on two points. Over the line harassment is often identified with the derailing thing; which isn't to say people cannot have grudges. Further this is a debate site, therefore so long as it's staying on topic disagreements are usually encouraged. If in doubt, so long as the ideas are the focus instead of who said them, it should be safe territory. There's also a pinned thread at the top of this forum, due to the expectation that political talk gets more ugly than most (we expect to have to lock threads, thankfully it's been awhile without that...).


If a member politely requests that you leave them alone, do so. Repeated failure to comply, is a clear aggravating factor regarding the content of said posts.
So here's the big one... If someone asks you to leave them alone, and you choose to not comply, over the line misconduct is looked at more harshly. It ties into the whole reasonable person standard. In essence, when another user has made said request, future engagements with them should be understood to be treading on thin ice. Going back to the SNL example, Trebek and Connery could still attend the same party and at it get pulled into the same conversation, but if Connery then starts into random insults it's considered a lot worse than had he no idea the other person had a problem (some friends joke around with each other, I've had to delete so many reports when some third party is traumatized by the sight of this...). At the same time, without things having risen to the point of an RO, if Trebek spotted Connery at said party and charged him preemptively, Trebek would be the one in the wrong.


Consequences for violations include:
  • Nothing, as most perceived violations are too minor to constitute a true offense.
  • Written warnings, which are most common for first-time violations.
  • Restraining orders, which will always be mutual to ensure neither may antagonize the other.
  • Revocation of abused privileges, such as loss of the ability to create threads due to creating too many spam threads.
  • Temporary bans, with increasing duration for subsequent violations, up to 90-days.
  • Indefinite bans, which have no set expiration, but may be appealed every 90-days.
So RO's do happen. Someone jumps on things every time your name is mentioned to throw off topic insults, that is a clear case showing the need for it. Usually things don't escalate that far.

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All that said, unless anyone has gotten truly vile, please try to understand elevated emotions during the election. Presumably we all want what's best for America, but just have different ideas for which path is optimal. Please try to remember that of each other, even if that will forever create a divide.
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Regarding #159

This is an example of a post which really should not have been reported.

Nothing in the CoC prohibits sharing of information, even information anyone might disagree with (save for if it was calling for violence of something else dangerous.

This is a space intentionally for disputing ideas.
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Hey, what was the scandal? Did we ever find out? Also, what is Obamagate? 
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The scandal is the ongoing pervasive corporate media coverup. Or the obvious corporate gaslighting and doublespeak presenting 2 opposing thoughts as both true.

Take your pick. 

TrUsT AuThOrITy.

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Tucker Carlson: "I lost the super secret totally authentic totally damning documents that would have shown that Hunter was totally guilty.  Hunter must have took 'em!"

so...Tucker didn't make copies before chucking them in them mail? 
You clearly didn't watch the entirety of the clip.

Tucker didn't send the documents. Try again.
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I don't care who you cheer for in politics, this kind of stuff should concern everybody.
Stop watching FOX News to get information you idiot
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I don't care who you cheer for in politics, this kind of stuff should concern everybody.
Stop watching FOX News to get information you idiot

Asinine and Presumptive Genetic fallacy. And a rather ignorant one at that. 
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Tucker Carlson: "I lost the super secret totally authentic totally damning documents that would have shown that Hunter was totally guilty.  Hunter must have took 'em!"

so...Tucker didn't make copies before chucking them in them mail? 
You clearly didn't watch the entirety of the clip.

Tucker didn't send the documents. Try again.
Well, some unidentified CI might be forgiven for not knowing to make copies before sending papers 3rd class but real newsmen send a courier to pick those papers up.  Not that anybody might suggest that Tucker is a newsperson- he fervently denies such claims himself.

In any case,  the moral of this story is that what what Tucker told you and Greyparrot to believe was a scary conspiracy and so you unfailingly believed it with the slightest whiff of critical thought, turns out to be UPS taking 3 days to deliver a package that ought to have taken two days during a pandemic while the Trump's Postmaster General was actively clogging up the mail in effort to defraud the election.

Oh well, whatever Tucker's totally damning blow-up-the-election documents were supposed to have been, we can assume now they were (at best) just more of the ridiculous bullshit Tucker peddles.  As FOX News has argued in court: 

The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' 

That is, only a super dum-dum would take Tucker Carlson seriously.

Fox News's Tucker Carlson mocked for 'lost in mail' Biden documents claim
This article is more than 2 years old
UPS has now confirmed that a package sent by Fox News was lost, but has since been found

Tucker Carlson’s show has been one of the main conduits of conspiracy theories about Joe Biden’s son Hunter.

Martin Belam@The Guardian
Thu 29 Oct 2020 13.36 EDT

The Fox News host Tucker Carlson has been mocked for his attempt to explain why he could not produce documents he had promised relating to Joe Biden, implying some kind of conspiracy.

On Thursday United Parcel Service (UPS) confirmed that it had indeed lost, and then found, the package in question.

Carlson said the only copy of the papers, which he alleged added to claims about Biden’s son Hunter, had been lost. In a segment delivered to camera, Carlson said:
On Monday we received from a source a collection of confidential documents related to the Biden family. We believe those documents are authentic, they’re real, and they’re damning … We texted a producer in New York and we asked him to send those documents to us in LA … He shipped those documents overnight to California with a large national carrier brand … But the Biden documents never arrived in Los Angeles. Tuesday morning we received word from the shipping company that our package had been opened and the contents were missing. The documents had disappeared.

He went on to say of the delivery company, which he did not name:
They searched the plane and the trucks that carried it, they went through the office in New York where our producer dropped that package off, they combed their entire cavernous sorting facility. They used pictures of what we had sent so that searchers would know what to look for. They went far and beyond. But they found nothing, those documents have vanished. As of tonight, the company has no idea – and no working theory even – about what happened to this trove of materials, documents that are directly relevant to the presidential campaign.
UPS subsequently issued a statement confirming some of the details. It told the Daily Beast: “After an extensive search, we have found the contents of the package and are arranging for its return. UPS will always focus first on our customers, and will never stop working to solve issues and make things right.”
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Glenn Zaccara, UPS’s corporate media relations director, confirmed to Business Insider that “the package was reported with missing contents as it moved within our network. UPS is conducting an urgent investigation into this matter and regrets that the package was damaged. The integrity of our network and the security of our customers’ goods are of utmost importance. We will remain in frequent, direct contact with Fox News as we learn more through our investigation.”

It remains to be seen what the documents will contain. Carlson’s show has been one of the main conduits of conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden, attempting to expand the narrative about his dealings in Ukraine and China and castigating other media outlets for not paying enough attention to claims made recently in the New York Post.

Carlson’s story of the lost documents cut little ice on social media on Wednesday night, before the package carrier’s statement:


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You ASSume too much. 

I never said I believed him. I merely said you didn’t watch the entirety of the clip. 


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I merely said you didn’t watch the entirety of the clip. 

I see.  So you weren't actually trying to make a point relevant to this discussion.
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My point was in correcting your error. Obviously. 
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My point was in correcting your error. Obviously. 
  • That assumes that "chucking in the mail" was an assertion that Carlson does his own mailing rather than a criticism of Carlson's stupid decision to have allegedly damning evidence sent snail mail without a digital copy.  It's 2020, take a picture and text it.  (In other words, nobody believed it was real to begin with).

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When I listened/watched the things that was my first thought too. Why not just scan and email it or text it over. That I can agree with.