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Noam Chomsky Gets "Canceled" For Signing Letter Alongside Hypocrites

Noam Chomsky on the Harper's Letter and Cancel Culture

Noam Chomsky Gets Canceled for Being Against Cancel Culture
The first and third video don't provide a single example Chomsky getting actually cancelled.  They are describing the criticism of Chomsky as cancellation but isn't that the opposite of cancellation--- just making your point and going away.

Chomsky himself relates two specific stories that I've looked into.

  • In 1989, a Chomsky interview on NPR was cancelled at the last minute by an NPR exec.  No reason was ever given and the interview was re-scheduled and broadcast a few days later.
  • In 1973, Chomsky co-authored a book called "Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda" which the publisher, Warner Bros. refused to publish for explicitly political reasons.  
    • I think publishers should publish stuff  that they personally disagree with but I don't think we can really call it censorship when they don't. 
    • Naturally, the tiny, academic book exploded in popularity, got bootlegged amoungst the academics and a French translation ended up making Chomsky way more money than if Warner Bros had simply published the forgettable book.
I am still fuzzy on the term, but when we talk about cancellation "culture" I am seeing a lot examples (like Trump above) calling for boycotts & protests but very little action.  Actual censorship seems to be a very tiny subset of the behavior people are calling cancel culture.

Look, one way for Trumpets to know they aren't being censored by mainstream media as opposed to being disregarded as fake news is that the mainstream media is running many stories about how the Trumpets feel censored.  

The NY TImes may refuse to publish Guiliani's fairly obvious bullshit but they've run 10 stories over the past 7 days about how Republicans are feeling censored and why responsible news outlet can't just publish government propaganda without those stories passing some basic background checks.  

PRO TIP:  If gatekeepers are publishing your complaints about how you're being censored, then you areprobably not being censored.  Actual censorship denies the claims of censorship as well as the underlying claim.  

Outlets like the NY TImes have done a very thorough job of documenting their Hunter Biden investigations and expalining why they are convinced that it all fake news.  The Burden of Proof is on Guiliani to show that any of his documents aren't just Russian photoshops.
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Impressive "rush-to-disqualify".

Exactly
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I am still fuzzy on the term, but when we talk about cancellation "culture" I am seeing a lot examples (like Trump above) calling for boycotts & protests but very little action.  Actual censorship seems to be a very tiny subset of the behavior people are calling cancel culture.
I believe it's the idea that if someone crosses-the-line, they should be unemployable and all of their "work" should be taken off the shelves and disavowed (like Charlie Rose).

Just imagine what would happen if Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks got canceled?  Like half of netflix would disappear!

### CANCEL TOM HANKS AND STEVEN SPIELBERG
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We live in a society gripped by a quasi-religious fervor — and obsessed with symbols and irrational fears.

Anything that is thought to have the slightest association with ­racism, no matter how attenuated the connection or how innocent the explanation, must be crushed and expunged.

The mere presence of a possibly offending word is deemed a threat, whether it is truly offensive or any real people have actually taken ­offense. We are engaged in a war with shadowy forces that we can’t truly understand but must exercise the utmost vigilance, lest they sneak up on us unawares.

Ours is an enchanted world, like that of the Old Norse who believed in land spirits who could bless or hinder travelers who didn’t pay them heed, or animists who consider everything alive and fraught with spiritual meaning, or the 16th-century English who hunted down witches based on hyper-sensitive suspicions and presumed signs.

Our society isn’t progressing, but falling back into a superstition that everyone must believe or pretend to believe for the supposed welfare of the community.

A NASCAR garage pull is shaped like a noose, so everyone immediately assumes that a racist has snuck into Bubba Wallace’s garage to send a nefarious signal to him. All people of goodwill have to unite to fight against this unseen, mysterious, malign force. When the FBI reports that, no, sometimes a garage pull is just a garage pull, and this one has been in the garage since October 2019, people still insist that it was a noose — because the will to believe is so strong and, hey, better safe than sorry.

The band the Dixie Chicks changes its name to the Chicks, even though there was nothing ­remotely wrong with the origin of its name. It referred not to the folk song “Dixie” that was the unofficial anthem of the Confederacy (and has its own complicated history), but to an album from the band Little Feat called “Dixie Chicken.”

The title song of that album isn’t about lynching, the KKK, or white supremacy, rather a guy meeting an enchanting girl, who, after he spends a lot of money on her, leaves him — not an unusual theme in American song.

No rational person would ever hear the name “the Dixie Chicks” and feel excluded, threatened, or automatically think of chattel slavery. But rationality has nothing to do with it.

Why must it be shelved? Because there is racist imagery of African-American children as alligator bait from more than 100 years ago that no one performing the Gator Bait chant over the last quarter of a century was aware of or could possibly have intended to invoke with their high-spirited cheer.

And on it goes, from one absurdity to the next. As long as this moral fever lasts, there will be more targets. There is no slaking the hunt for words and practices to vilify and erase — no amount of purity will ever be enough to protect the community, and the hunt itself has its deep satisfactions.

None of this has to do with ­police reform, which involves specific and concrete proposals that can be debated using facts and reason and might — if thoughtfully done — improve policing and the lives of our citizens. No, mere changes in police practices can’t compare to a deeper, quasi-religious project.

The woke shamans are defining and enforcing a new symbology. They insist that their spiritual sense is better attuned than anyone else’s and will try to CENSOR and excommunicate anyone who says otherwise.

Their work may seem shockingly new, but it is really a throwback to ages past — ones that no advanced society should want to revisit.

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The first and third video don't provide a single example Chomsky getting actually cancelled.  They are describing the criticism of Chomsky as cancellation but isn't that the opposite of cancellation--- just making your point and going away.
Chomsky's not "canceled" yet.  He hasn't been fired and his books and movies haven't been dropped by publishers.

Chomsky's at the beginning of the process, where people start suggesting they support hate-speech.  I mean, only an evil person would support hate-speech, right?

Not every cancel campaign ends in success and I think they're going to have some trouble making this one stick.
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Ours is an enchanted world, like that of the Old Norse who believed in land spirits who could bless or hinder travelers who didn’t pay them heed, or animists who consider everything alive and fraught with spiritual meaning, or the 16th-century English who hunted down witches based on hyper-sensitive suspicions and presumed signs.
100% THIS.

It might be useful to note that the sw.ast.ika is an ancient symbol that predates the birth of Jesus Christ.

It was not invented by the Germans.

It does not have any intrinsic meaningfulness.

But the question remains, Do you believe its current cultural significance can be safely ignored?

I mean, all KKK members are patriotic Christians.  But it might be worth noting that not all patriotic Christians are members of the KKK.
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I mean, all KKK members are patriotic Christians.  But it might be worth noting that not all patriotic Christians are members of the KKK.

I made fun of RM in another thread when he said Hitler was right-wing.

I then said since Lincoln was right-wing that Hitler essentially freed the slaves in America.

This is the ludicrous outcome of the religion of marking individuals with groupthink. 

Ironically the book Scarlet Letter warning about a society that cancels people you don't like was censored and banned in many schools from all groups left and right seeking censorship powers.
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I think you might need to make your definitions explicit before attempting to draw any logical conclusions.
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This is what Guiliani is pushing?  Is there even one mention of Burisma or China in any of this?

The driver's license, at least, is an obvious fake.  In 2014, DC driver's licenses started saying "District of Columbia" in the upper left hand corner butthen residents complained because stupid bouncers and store clerks kept rejecting the IDs saying "we don't accept IDs from Colombia" so in 2017, the city changed back to Washington DC.   The DL says it was issued in 2009 so it should say "Washington DC" rather than "District of Columbia"  and it seems to be using a picture of Hunter from when he was in his 20's rather than his 40's.

Since the DL is obv fake, why shouldn't we assume other docs are also fake?

Why would anybody take a picture of their credit card and put it on their laptop for years and years?

Why would anybody scan a mailed letter advising that your access to a pornsite has been declined by the credit card company and then  keep that on you laptop for years and years?

  • Even if we give Guiliani and Carlson maximum credit what we are left with is some circumstantial evidence that Hunter Biden likes porn and has the telephone numbers of many politicians.
    • Please explain why any newspaper should publish this? 
      • Where is any evidence of any crime (except that Guiliani is in possession of Hunter Biden's password info which does suggest a crime on the part of America's Mayor)
      • Yes, we know that Trumpets would like to embarrass Hunter because he is related to a political enemy but why is any of this newsworthy?


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At least some of the documents have been found.  They're en-route.

I don't think anyone disputes there was foul play afoot to censor.
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Excellent questions.
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What do you think about the censorship of a book that warns about the regression of a society that censors and paints individuals with groupthink labels?
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What do you think about the censorship of a book that warns about the regression of a society that censors and paints individuals with groupthink labels?
I think we should be sure to vote those censors- specifically,  the religious right, out of power

we liberals don't have a problem with fornication in our literature

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 People just don't often recognize it comes in all forms, or they (of course) like it when they agree with the cancellation. 

Yah, there are some really hyperpartisan people in this thread that absolutely love censorship when it suits their needs for control of the flow of ideas.

The radical left has unfortunately regressed into a groupthinktank of a singular view devoid of diversity of thought. 

Just like the society in Hawthorne's book.
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"boo hoo! the lamestream media is censoring my circumstantial evidence that a relative of  my political enemy likes porn!  What has happened to society that I can't just talk any old shit about my enemies and see it treated as real news!  Alas!  boo hoo!"
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That sound you hear is the ghost of George Orwell kicking Greyparrot in the balls for even  trying to invoke his name in the promotion of government manufactured disinformation.
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"boo hoo! the lamestream media is censoring my circumstantial evidence that a relative of  my political enemy likes porn!  What has happened to society that I can't just talk any old shit about my enemies and see it treated as real news!  Alas!  boo hoo!"
All jokes aside,

Do you think facebook, twitter, google, and youtube should mass delete specific stories?

I mean news organizations NOT running a story is fine of course, but platforms just wiping a story nearly out of existence?
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You know my libertarianish leanings don't allow me to wallow over people being "cancelled" in the market. The same people who fight tooth-and-nail over a Christian's right to deny baking a gay wedding cake are the same ones who throw massive cry baby tantrums when a company decides to part ways with someone over their racist tweet from 2011. Boo hoo. You either support freedom of association or you don't.

The biggest issue of Cancel Culture I see is the silencing of ideas in academia or the stifling of intellectual discourse. There's a big difference between Noam Chomsky and Milo Yiannopolis. 

Trump supporters whining about Cancel Culture is a joke. They cheer him on when he does it and he's actively called to punish or boycott American businesses 30+ times. He gets happy when their stock prices drop. So we have a president that gets happy if/when those companies (Harley Davidson, Goodyear, Macy's, the NFL, media networks, etc.)  employing millions of people suffer. That's nice. 
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They cheer him on when he does it

Yah, not all Trump supporters are happy at all about that bullshit though.
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Yah, not all Trump supporters are happy at all about that bullshit though.

Not a single one of them whines incessantly about it like they do whenever a conservative gets "cancelled." 

I've never seen anything like this brainwashed, cult-like devotion to a politician. It's sociologically fascinating. 


The radical left has unfortunately regressed into a groupthinktank of a singular view devoid of diversity of thought. 
I agree. Would you consider the right-wing to be open-minded, tolerant and diverse? 
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I agree. Would you consider the right-wing to be open-minded, tolerant and diverse? 

On the whole, sure, but that's only the by-product of an ideology that retains a faint semblance of the skepticism of authority from the King George III era. 

The right-wing seems to be a lot more likely to call out the radicals that poison the barrel, including the intolerant religious wing when they ask the government for prohibitive powers.
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"boo hoo! the lamestream media is censoring my circumstantial evidence that a relative of  my political enemy likes porn!  What has happened to society that I can't just talk any old shit about my enemies and see it treated as real news!  Alas!  boo hoo!"
All jokes aside,

Do you think facebook, twitter, google, and youtube should mass delete specific stories?

I mean news organizations NOT running a story is fine of course, but platforms just wiping a story nearly out of existence?
What evidence is there that social media platforms have wiped the Hunter Biden story "nearly out of existence"?  I don't do Facebook but I can read all kinds of Hunter Biden stuff, mostly pure fiction all over twitter, google, and youtube right now. If platforms are going to place toll roads between the American people and the Fourth Estate, then those platforms must share in the  gatekeeping responsibilities of the Journalist.  In essence, we have the head of state demanding that  the  Press publish his political narrative without editorial oversight because all the editors in the world called bullshit.  That's not censorship, that is the Fourth Estate flexing its First Amendment protections.
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Excellent questions.

I thought so too.

Here I'll run them again just so GP and Pie don't forget them:

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This is what Guiliani is pushing?  Is there even one mention of Burisma or China in any of this?

The driver's license, at least, is an obvious fake.  In 2014, DC driver's licenses started saying "District of Columbia" in the upper left hand corner butthen residents complained because stupid bouncers and store clerks kept rejecting the IDs saying "we don't accept IDs from Colombia" so in 2017, the city changed back to Washington DC.   The DL says it was issued in 2009 so it should say "Washington DC" rather than "District of Columbia"  and it seems to be using a picture of Hunter from when he was in his 20's rather than his 40's.

Since the DL is obv fake, why shouldn't we assume other docs are also fake?

Why would anybody take a picture of their credit card and put it on their laptop for years and years?

Why would anybody scan a mailed letter advising that your access to a pornsite has been declined by the credit card company and then  keep that on you laptop for years and years?

  • Even if we give Guiliani and Carlson maximum credit what we are left with is some circumstantial evidence that Hunter Biden likes porn and has the telephone numbers of many politicians.
    • Please explain why any newspaper should publish this? 
      • Where is any evidence of any crime (except that Guiliani is in possession of Hunter Biden's password info which does suggest a crime on the part of America's Mayor)
      • Yes, we know that Trumpets would like to embarrass Hunter because he is related to a political enemy but why is any of this newsworthy?

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 In 2014, DC driver's licenses started saying "District of Columbia" in the upper left hand corner
Note: https://dmv.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dmv/page_content/attachments/Final%20DMV%20Brochure%20Sept.%2027%2C%202013_0.pdf. which is the current D.C. DMV webpage, which indicates that the District of Columbia nomenclature began in 2013, and still indicates its use today, being the current webpage. 
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I've never seen anything like this brainwashed, cult-like devotion to a politician. It's sociologically fascinating. 


If you can ignore the messenger and focus on the message, it's pretty much this.

People know full well who Trump is, they are not brainwashed. It's just that he is the only politician in DC in any party, flawed as he is, that does not despise them for being a backwards class of people.
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People know full well who Trump is, they are not brainwashed. It's just that he is the only politician in DC in any party, flawed as he is, that does not despise them for being a backwards class of people.
you're kidding right? Trump has spent his whole life looking down on poor people. And black people. And women. And i'm sure lots of other groups too. He doesn't give a shit about you. His whole run for office was a marketing stunt. His main success as a business man has been in marketing himself as a successful business man (ie the apprentice and art of the deal). But that money was starting to dry up by 2016. He ran for president to give him more name recognition and rebuild his brand. 

He doesn't care about his cultists. He only cares about them insofar as they worship him and it feeds his narcissism. 

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All it would take is to stop telling them that their fracking jobs dont matter. That it's ok to reject BLM for disrupting the western family.

For some reason, Obama on up decided to stop lying to them as Bill Clinton and priors did.
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All it would take is to stop telling them that their fracking jobs dont matter.
no one is saying jobs don't matter. But fracking is extremely damaging. jobs are good, but jobs which are causing huge damage should not be protected just for the sake of creating jobs. we should be trying to move our economy away from practices that cause significant damage to the environment. 

That it's ok to reject BLM for disrupting the western family.
this doesn't make any sense. they are attempting to get equal rights and protection for black people. That has absolutely no effect and causes no disruption to "the western family", unless that western family is routinely discriminating against black people. 

For some reason, Obama on up decided to stop lying to them as Bill Clinton and priors did.
i have no idea what this lie you are referring to is. What were they lying about?