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It could be that he values a Croc that talks even less than an inactive Danielle, which is rather insulting lol. I'm questioning him there too. But if that's your only read, that is rather weak, is it not? Supa has been active and contributed. I think you're jumping to conclusions way too quickly. 
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there is literally nothing substantial besides Danielle inactivity and a supadudz quick lynch.
i don't have a read on anyone currently
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tho slight sus on bear for jumping to lynch on supa as soon as he saw an opportunity
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I'm not vouching for a Croc lynch. I want to hear his reads versus him just skimming a DP and just saying, lol nothing
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@MisterChris
Idk. I'm keeping my lynch on supa
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Unvote

Better than nothing I guess
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@Vader
Still, voting to lynch him won't exactly give you his reads.
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@BearMan
But it gives pressure to say something. And you seriously are gonna defend Croc when we had information on skittlez to just say "nothing to read?" He couldn't comment on that. It's lazy town
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@BearMan
And why are you so quick to jump on lynch trains for very little behavioral notations?
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@BearMan
Not a train, but a lynch
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Idk. I'm keeping my lynch on supa

Ah yes, the "I have no reason but will continue anyway" defense. 
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Why?
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Supa responded while I was typing
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Skittlez outing oromagi as L doesn't really matter. Any mafia could see that he changed to L. 

Notice that your play as town is significantly different than your play as mafia. I might be wrong, but quick-lynching Croc and immediately backing off once you received critique for why you lynched seems sus.






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@BearMan
 doesn't really matter. Any mafia could see that he changed to L.
This is the equivalent of "We decided to cancel the election and make Biden president, the polls said he was ahead anyway."

I would say there are plenty of instances of mafia missing stuff like that out of sheer oversight. It does not follow that because you predicted they would see it anyway, that it would be a good idea to expose him. In that sense, you are just as guilty as Skittlez. 
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@BearMan
Notice that your play as town is significantly different than your play as mafia. I might be wrong, but quick-lynching Croc and immediately backing off once you received critique for why you lynched seems sus.

I will admit he is being wishy-washy. That is a scum tell. It doesn't mean enough though to lynch him though, in my opinion. 

Although, I'm not sure why he would go after Croc as scum. You would think Danielle would be a better option, as a policy lynch for her inactivity. The only scenario that would even make sense in is if Danielle were scum too. And for now that's a bit too much of a stretch for me. 
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I said "though" twice. Yay english
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lol
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No. He gave a read for his suspicion. I saw that, and unvoted. He gave a read, so unvote.
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Yes it does. He literally said "it could be an investigative." I never said it was a big deal, but something to take note, as it looks like role hunting 
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@MisterChris
Again. I didn't go after Chris. I voted him because after reading for a DP, he did nothing besides not give any reads. I put a vote on him to tell him to read the DP and give thoughts
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I meant Croc
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I'm going to reread Naruto Mafia.
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I don’t think Chris switching off of Danielle is indicative of affiliation. I was more so wanting to see if his reasoning gave any indications of affiliation.

Speed claiming Miller to ‘gauge’ reactions warrants an FOS imo. It doesn’t fit his play style to do that at least this early in the game. Could be scum trying to out a real Miller and advocate a policy lynch or could just be role phishing.

Supa also switched off of Danielle to vote for Croc before Danielle even got here which is also kind of strange.

Those are just some the things I noticed. As I said in the signups, I have midterms this week so I can’t be as active as I’d like to be. If y’all have any questions please ping me so I can respond to you


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So BearMan IMO right now is a slight town read. BearMan is a tunnel vision player. If he scum reads one player, he will stick on that players the entire and will not move his vote on this player. Granted, IDK if he has changed this to be his general mafia style, in Naruto Mafia, BearMan was a lurker, random voter, and didn't tunnel vision anyone. He's adapted this quality to his town play, and this is the only reason I think he's town. Behavioral patterns suggest he's town. I do have concerns when it comes to his "ignore Croc philosophy," because it simply isn't true. I have voted Croc out as town multiple times for being anti town. Unlike Lunatic, I don't make it a revolving point when he is in the game. In a game with lack of inactivity, the fact he comes on, reads the DP, and believes he doesn't respond to anything is bullshit. So I put a vote and said, when you stop being anti town I'll remove my vote. He gave a read on Bear, and I put my vote off
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Sure, by voting you provide incentive I suppose, but if you really wanted him to be more active without there being a wagon you'd have told him directly. Instead, you gave the read to the town and voted with no further reservations. 

And if you had no intention of fully lynching Croc, why would you unvote as soon as it became clear we wouldn't lynch Croc without more convincing? If the point is to pressure him, why aren't you pressuring him right now? Seems to me that as soon as the prospect fell through you gave up.

You can say you changed your mind about the lynch, but I don't buy this "I didn't want to lynch him" thing. 
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Sure, by voting you provide incentive I suppose, but if you really wanted him to be more active without there being a wagon you'd have told him directly. Instead, you gave the read to the town and voted with no further reservations. 
We've told him directly countless times (which IDK if you know). He ignores the request. I don't scum read him, but I put a vote on him to know that there is substantive stuff in this DP and you can form reads. It's him being lazy. He gave a read, and I unvoted.

And if you had no intention of fully lynching Croc, why would you unvote as soon as it became clear we wouldn't lynch Croc without more convincing? If the point is to pressure him, why aren't you pressuring him right now? Seems to me that as soon as the prospect fell through you gave up.
No. I took my vote off when I caught up with the DP and saw he gave a read, thus unvoting him

You can say you changed your mind about the lynch, but I don't buy this "I didn't want to lynch him" thing. 

Do you think I wanted to lynch him when he was 0/6? I put 1 vote on him. If he were to accumulate more votes I'd take my vote off. Simple
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Hm. OK. I buy it. 
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At the moment my biggest read continues to be Skittlez. He has gone completely AWOL. 
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Speed's random Miller claim is weird, and I'm not sure what to make of it, but he is null for now.