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@Bullish
You can’t call a 4 vanilla game a rolemad.
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Game like this there can be 0, 1, 2, 3, possibly 4 vanilla towns.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand case in point... Bullish is just messing with us at this point lmao
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@Intelligence_06
If you google "rolemad mafia", Technology Mafia is literally the 3rd result. I am literally the definition of rolemad.
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@Bullish
that's good- debateart is moving up on the google algorithm
that's dope
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@Bullish
NOTE: I AM NOT PART OF THE GAME
Number 1 (Sign-ups) and number 2 (DP1) using the DuckDuckGo search engine.
If you google "rolemad mafia", Technology Mafia is literally the 3rd result. I am literally the definition of rolemad.
lmao
just letting things play out i got no scum reads rn
If you google "rolemad mafia", Technology Mafia is literally the 3rd result. I am literally the definition of rolemad.
I love this lol
Just caught up from last night...
The rolemadness debate seems pointless, and entirely dependant on guessing what the mod would or wouldn't do. While their may be some slight merit in analyzing that, it's ultimately ridiculous to base your entire play around betting on mod psyche/ policy.
At the end of the day we have to decide what scum would or would not due. If we have a second person out vanilla after it's already being discussed that having a vanilla in a rolemad game should be sus, then it's obvious that claiming vanilla as scum isn't beneficial. The other factor is how new misterchris is, if you are to say he is bussing you'd have to provide where you think you've seen chris as scum try something like that before. His only scum game so far was civil war generals, where he was for the most part, a pretty conservative scum player. To assume he would bus is biting in to a bit too much convienent WIFOM. While it shouldn't be dis-regarded, we have to also admit that it's likely he will be caught if this is a lie since this is a rolemad game, which means there's likely a tracker or watcher who will catch him in a lie. The inherent risk of this "Gambit" makes it not worth doing, and more likely than not that chris is town.
I'll have to think about whether 2 is likely or not, though in designing my own games I've seen how a game can be pretty swingy and full of roles while also including several vanillas.
The common scum factor in all this for me is still pie. Pie is not beyond bussing himself, also. See his and ragnars play day phase 2 of supas naruto mafia. Also pie has been pretty aggressive in this game, as was the case in day phase 1 of Naruto mafia. Pie struck me as scum looking for any mislynch oppertunity and tunneling it there. The bragadocious thing in the beginning also didn't feel like a humble townie trying to solve the game. Pie's push of misterchris bussing warren is ultimately what is making me suspect pie, combined with danielles death convienently last phase too after their discussion.
Pie's partner is probably supa or warren, or at least that's my feeling right now.
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@Lunatic
To be honest, I think either Warren or Chris is lying. Judging how wacky my role is, I don't think the mod would put in place two vanillas. It also seems unlikely that Chris would counterclaim warren if he was mafia. I'm going to keep my lynch on warren, as he randomly claimed and it seems unlikely that MisterChris is lying.
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@Lunatic
Also pie has been pretty aggressive in this game, as was the case in day phase 1 of Naruto mafia.
If by aggressive you mean active, I’m always active when I have a role. You can WIFOM that all day.
Pie struck me as scum looking for any mislynch oppertunity and tunneling it there. The bragadocious thing in the beginning also didn't feel like a humble townie trying to solve the game. Pie's push of misterchris bussing warren is ultimately what is making me suspect pie, combined with danielles death convienently last phase too after their discussion.
Bullish’s definition of rolemadness is stupid. Speed doesn’t have vanillas in his rolemadness games and neither do I. I’ve been a supporter of first day lynches since the beginning. I supported the lynches of Chris and Warren cause they both were vanilla. Using mine and Speed’s definition they’re both scum which is where the bussing theory comes in. The definition Bullish uses is garbage. I know not to play in any of his games now even if he says rolemadness
out of warren an chris im more inclined to vote chris
ive been in every single one of chris's games ( to my knowledge )
an like lunatic said being active an helpful is town chris's play
whereas being more lurky is scum chris
still dont 100 % townread chris but out of the two id place my money on warren
Is a Miller a PR?
no its basically playing a handicapped vanilla
my experience from last game lmao
out of warren an chris im more inclined to vote chris
warren/that1 sat out all of DP1 and showed up only to claim VANILLA. Just as Pie was lying about how VANILLAs are never found in rolemadness, Chris came out with second VANILLA claim. Too my thinking no scum would falsely take such risk. Chris is more likely town than warren
I'm going to keep my lynch on warren, as he randomly claimed
This is not only false, but stupid. I was asked for my role and from what I've read my slot was nearly lynched last DP to get rid of an inactive slot. I also planned to claim immediately. My slot was essentially nonexistent D1, as I replaced in the middle of a shift for work and became quite busy and was not able to catch up and post before EOD. Essentially at that point I'm giving you guys nothing to work with, so the least I can do is come in and claim (especially since I was vanilla) so that you can start to formulate a read on my slot.
*DISCLAIMER I HAVE NOT YET READ D1*
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
*DISCLAIMER I HAVE NOT YET READ D1*
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
Mr. Chris is probably town. I buy the vanilla claim and think it's stupid to argue that there couldn't be one or more vanillas in a role madness game. If every single player has a role the game isn't going to be balanced. Bullish seems like a more traditional mod at least in the sense that he isn't going to just say "fuck balance everyone gets a role, if it doesn't work oh well." He might swing a little in favor of more roles than not, but I think he probably understands that in most games you need a couple vanillas to keep things balanced.
That said, if there are any more vanillas, you should probably full claim immediately. I know this helps mafia narrow down the pool of who to kill, but with how bloodthirsty these people are for vanillas I think you essentially have to full claim. I honestly will start to become suspicious of anyone who full claims vanilla after too long because it's become such an issue that anyone who is actually vanilla would be concerned enough that they would (and should) claim before the end of the day.
I will say that at this point it should be clear that Chris and I are not mafia together so if one of us is lynched and flips guilty (INB4 someone is like oh interesting you don't know you're innocent? Guilty much?) the other one should be pretty much cleared. There's no way that if we're mafia together he also claims vanilla in that environment.
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@warren42
Pie is probably town in my opinion. He's certainly not vanilla in case that wasn't yet clear, but based on meta he's also probably not a town negative utility role. He's either scum or town and has a positive utility.
Why do you suppose Pie lied about never seeing VANILLA in a rolemad game when we see that all time and know Pie has seen that all the time?
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@oromagi
I don't think he lied I just think he didn't bother paying attention and he actively hates vanillas. I think he genuinely believed what he was saying. I'm not sold on him as town, that's just a kinda baseline read.
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@oromagi
Why do you suppose Pie lied about never seeing VANILLA in a rolemad game when we see that all time and know Pie has seen that all the time?
Which games are you talking about? All of my games don’t have any vanillas. Speed’s games don’t have vanillas. Every other game never says it’s rolemadness lol.
The Lighting are freakin floppers with zebras covering for them every time. Fake cup. Stars deserved it cause of the desire and motivation to win after being written off as a shitty team
I'd argue the Lightning deserved it as they scored more goals than the Stars did in 4/6 games.
It's probably best actually in this case that he was upfront quickly. I think if we pressured him dp2 or 3 and found that out it would likely be a mislynch.
This is in regard to skittlez's roleblocker claim. I agree that it's good he was upfront if he's town but it doesn't seem that that was *why* he was upfront. Does that bother you at all? It does bother me a bit.
There was tons on DDO lol. Lovelife, royalpaladin, lickdafoot, insertnamehere, vi_veri, danielle, rosalie, hatstand, trekie, to name a few of the more active ones. All mafia players.
Wow. Really disrespecting magic like that. I see how it is.
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@oromagi
I do not have a wincon at all. Clearly, skitz has a wincon. That's interesting. Does everybody else have a wincon? are the wincons all like skittles?
This is interesting. I don't usually pay attention to PM structure but I also don't have a wincon explicitly stated in mine in the form of "you win with the town." It does say vanilla townie though, so I suppose that Bullish might feel the need to clarify for a roleblocker but not for a vanilla who already has the affiliation listed.
Supa talking about how badly he wants to scumread skittlez but refraining makes me think that if skittlez is mafia supa probably is too. If supa is mafia I don't think it tells us about skittlez's affiliation though.
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@warren42
Supa talking about how badly he wants to scumread skittlez but refraining makes me think that if skittlez is mafia supa probably is too
lmao naw supas just sick of my shit it caused them the game last time
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@warren42
cost*
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@Bullish
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