Arrowverse Mafia - DP2

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@Lunatic
I don't mind your bickering ways, myself.  It doesn't feel personal and it does give you a certain persona that makes you hard  to read but able to say a lot which is sometimes useful although I don't think the bickering itself elicits much information. 
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are you a Plastique?  yes or no?
I'm not the Elongated Man, as much as I wish I was, since those powers are dope.
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@oromagi
See above.
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@Vader
One of them could be scum, but unlikely to be both.
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are you a Plastique?  yes or no?
I'm not the Elongated Man, as much as I wish I was, since those powers are dope.

Drafterman had profile pic of this villan most of DP1


But you don't seem to recognize that character so I'm thinking that's not something you noticed.....which means that drafter was probably faking a soft claim of BOMB....are you also soft claiming fake BOMB?
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drafterman is being replaced. Please give me a bit to find his replacement
Excuse me, what?
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Did drafter just leave the site over a mafia argument with Lunatic?
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@SirAnonymous
yes.  also I think you're scum.

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@SirAnonymous
Did drafter just leave the site over a mafia argument with Lunatic?
basically

no idea why tho the argument they have wasnt even hostile it was mostly just a heated argument


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@oromagi
also I think you're scum.
elaborate?
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@Drafter (which isn't playing but still a note)

Having a disagreement with someone in regards to a forum game isn't a warrant for a block. When two minds that are experienced and performed well butt, they usually engage in conversation. I know I have disagreed with Lunatic on the way I've played games and such, but I still consider him a good friend and wouldn't block him over a mafia game. I think it's childish to block someone and alot of the people that have blocked either have acted childish or are childish, e.g TRN
Well said.
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@oromagi
yes.  also I think you're scum.
Ok. I'll deal with that tomorrow. Too tired right now.
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Maybe? Not seen him as scum. That said, I want to see what some of the other veterans like Lunatic have to say about this. 
ive had oro as scum before in my very first game actually 

in that game he was lurky an distant kinda like in this game 

whearas as when hes town hes far more involved 

He also admitted himself that he sucks as scum which would make sense cuz of the mistake he made earlier 

aint gonna lie this feels like scum oro but im honestly unsure 


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@oromagi
are you also soft claiming fake BOMB?
Oh, I'm totally FAKE claiming bomb! ... Based on the fight they were having, I believe it's self evident he would have used it if he had it.
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also I think you're scum.
elaborate?
If I believe that you are MILLER than the odds are there's a COP
If I believe the LOVERS (i kind of think i do) then there 5 left.

I am supergirl and drafterman was fake claiming BOMB, which is not the kind of thing one does as SCUM.

That leaves TUF, who drafterman clearly thought was TOWN although I don't know why for sure.  I kind of wonder if TUF was not campaigning about blocks in the mafia chat, tho.

That leaves Mister and Sir, and kinky is, um,  a SCUM tell but also these are the two who have given no info of any kind and therefore most likely to be scum.
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just to be clear my top scum read is still drafterman/ragnar 


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@oromagi

That leaves Mister and Sir, and kinky is, um,  a SCUM tell but also these are the two who have given no info of any kind and therefore most likely to be scum.
ight well if u had to choose between one or the other who'd u choose 
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@oromagi
drafterman was fake claiming BOMB
what post #?
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something that ive been thinking about in regards to draft, 

him getting hella pissed off at lunatic makes more sense if he was scum 

lets look at both scenarios 

Scenario: Drafter is town 

in this scenario drafter wouldve been so pissed off an blocked lunatic an quit the site all over being pissed about waiting two days 

this scenario makes little sense but is possible prolly at a 30 % chance 

Scenario: Drafter is scum

this scenario drafter wouldve been pissed that things werent going his way an the lynch wasnt being rushed. this also explains his eagerness to lynch anyone later on in the dp when he kept flip flopping between me an oro. Drafters arguments failed an he got ticked an blocked lunatic. Than leaving the site. 

In my opinion the incident with drafter makes more sense if he was scum an combined with his bandwagoning behavior last dp it alligns 

id like to also mention that the experiment he pulled on me coulda easily been him trying to start up a wagon he possibly put the pressure off of me an claimed it was an experiment to gain some town cred 


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combine all 3 things together an u start to see a scummish pattern 
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@skittlez09
Scum have the power to kill people who annoy them. Had he been scum, he would have killed Lunatic at night, then passed it off as mafia trying to frame him.

Further, were I in the scum team what would my reborn tactic be? ... Consider how easily I could twist information gained as a watcher. It would be an overpowering edge for scum. As town I’m a suboptimal replacement, but available in a hurry, so the game keeps going uninterrupted.
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Alright. It seems that most people aren't convinced by my Oromagi read. Fair enough. But I maintain my read against him for now.

To recap:

Oro decided to tempt scum into trying to nightkill him. It didn't work. Evidently he has a role that would be harmful to anyone who visits him and I think it is a good idea we know it. If you're worried about scum being given too much info, don't be. He admitted this information openly ruining any chance scum would try to do anything to him. Oromagi has basically thrown away the utility of his role. In light of this development and Oro's recent blunder essentially incentivizing mafia to spare the lovers and confuse us more, I am really starting to wonder about Oromagi. 
So basically:

1. He says if the two lovers survive they are a solid scumread.

The lovers survive miraculously... 
A potential attempt at getting mislynches. 

2. He says he tried to draw out the nightkill, trying to buy town cred. Despite the fact that any smart town would NOT do such a thing. 
Why he probably isn't a "dumb" town:

if he were genuinely town, it would be obvious that by saying this he throws away the utility of his role. No one, especially no one as smart as he is, would reveal their role after one failed gambit attempt for no reason. 

I have never played a game with him as scum. I do know that if he were town he would never pull moves like this. 
ANYWAY,

if not Oromagi, I have no solid reads at the moment. 

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I wake up, look at the mafia game, and suddenly everyone has scum reads. I'll go through them and see what I think.
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@oromagi
Yeh, & my best guess is that if there's a COP he checked out TUF.

Therefore, I'm down to SA and MrC

VTL Sir Anonymous

Character claim first, please
Your logic here is based on POE, which is fine, but I don't see why you ruled out Lunatic or left out Drafter/Ragnar 2.0. You're only guessing that the cop checked Lunatic. But what makes you think that the cop would check Lunatic over anyone else? I don't see the logic there. As for claiming, I don't intend on doing that unless there's a real need to do so.
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@oromagi
drafterman was fake claiming BOMB, which is not the kind of thing one does as SCUM.
He had a profile picture of a particular character. I'm highly skeptical of your guess that that was meant to hint at being a bomb. 
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So both of you suspect that drafter/ragnar 2.0 is scum.
SKITTLEZ:
ive had oro as scum before in my very first game actually 

in that game he was lurky an distant kinda like in this game 

whearas as when hes town hes far more involved 

He also admitted himself that he sucks as scum which would make sense cuz of the mistake he made earlier 

aint gonna lie this feels like scum oro but im honestly unsure 
Honestly, oro seems more involved to me. I find him hard to read, though.
So basically:

1. He says if the two lovers survive they are a solid scumread.

The lovers survive miraculously... 
A potential attempt at getting mislynches. 

2. He says he tried to draw out the nightkill, trying to buy town cred. Despite the fact that any smart town would NOT do such a thing. 
I'll give you point 1. It is only slightly suspicious, but it is still suspicious. As for point 2, I think a smart town with either a useless or anti-visitor role might in fact do such a thing. However, it's not something that I would expect oro to do. It could be legit, but is somewhat out of the ordinary for him and thus slightly suspicious.
if he were genuinely town, it would be obvious that by saying this he throws away the utility of his role. No one, especially no one as smart as he is, would reveal their role after one failed gambit attempt for no reason. 

I have never played a game with him as scum. I do know that if he were town he would never pull moves like this.
This presumes that his role actually has utility. If it doesn't, it makes perfect sense to do what he did. Again, though, it's not something that I would expect oro to do.

Thus, my verdict on oro as scum is that it's possible and I am somewhat suspicious of him. The case against him is weak, but it at least holds some water.
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@skittlez09
something that ive been thinking about in regards to draft, 

him getting hella pissed off at lunatic makes more sense if he was scum 

lets look at both scenarios 

Scenario: Drafter is town 

in this scenario drafter wouldve been so pissed off an blocked lunatic an quit the site all over being pissed about waiting two days 

this scenario makes little sense but is possible prolly at a 30 % chance 

Scenario: Drafter is scum

this scenario drafter wouldve been pissed that things werent going his way an the lynch wasnt being rushed. this also explains his eagerness to lynch anyone later on in the dp when he kept flip flopping between me an oro. Drafters arguments failed an he got ticked an blocked lunatic. Than leaving the site. 

In my opinion the incident with drafter makes more sense if he was scum an combined with his bandwagoning behavior last dp it alligns 

id like to also mention that the experiment he pulled on me coulda easily been him trying to start up a wagon he possibly put the pressure off of me an claimed it was an experiment to gain some town cred 
I'm skeptical of your argument that drafter would be more frustrated with Lunatic as scum than as town. I guess it's possible, but I don't see drafter leaving because he wasn't getting his way as scum. Then again, I didn't see him leaving, period. I agree with you on the bandwagon and eagerness to lynch. Those felt more like scum than town to me.
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Scum have the power to kill people who annoy them. Had he been scum, he would have killed Lunatic at night, then passed it off as mafia trying to frame him.
That makes a lot of sense to me. If drafter was scum and wanted Lunatic to quit bothering him, he could just have shot him.
Further, were I in the scum team what would my reborn tactic be? ... Consider how easily I could twist information gained as a watcher. It would be an overpowering edge for scum. As town I’m a suboptimal replacement, but available in a hurry, so the game keeps going uninterrupted.
I rather doubt this. Ragnar 1.0 was killed NP1, so I'm not sure you would actually have any results.
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@Lunatic
Anyways... I am conflicted here. I was really banking on results last phase and we have none. I still think the lover pair was town, but that's mostly because I think mafia were leaving you alive for a mislynch after the lengthy discussion of it last phase. Oro has explained his reasons for why he said that and they feel kind of genuine, but I am sure he could spin it that way as scum. I think I should probably weigh the situation better when I am sober. I am not discounting chris or sir either. Chris feels really town to me, and sir is hard to read in general. Drafter felt scummy to me too, so Ragnar isn't out of the question. I think my focus is on one of those four this phase.
I generally agree with this. I think we can rule out skittlez and the lovers, at least for this DP. That leaves me, you, drafter/ragnar, chris, and oro for this DP. Right now, I'm somewhat suspicious of drafter/ragnar and oro. I still need to examine you and chris.