Arrowverse Mafia - DP2

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What are your guys thoughts about lynching oro?
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My thought?

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oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic, Intelligence_06 (4/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)
Lunatic - oromagi (1/5)

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I'd say its probably safe to hammer at this point since the game wont be able to really move forward until we know how oro flips and need to get the POE.
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Honestly, is Skittlez even sus anymore? Why are you still on him?
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Well, I don't think there's much else I could've done to try to save this town.  good luck.
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Look, pal, if 4 others just VTNL then you don't die. However, the rest of the town will decide your fate.
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Thanks. If you aren't scum, we're gonna need it.
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Why are you about to be hammered? Any scum slips, or just random?
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I seem to have missed much of why. While I could get caught up tonight, by then someone will have hammered, so what's the gist of what makes him the most likely scum?
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Why are you about to be hammered? Any scum slips, or just random?
There are several reasons. To quickly summarize, 1. His motivation regarding the lovers doesn't make sense, in my response to you earlier I explained why a bit. 2. The gambit at the end of the phase seemed wierd. It seemed like a way to set himself up with bulletproof, but it should have been obvious that scum (if he's not it) wouldn't have bought that. 3. Bulletproof is a common role used as a fake claim, and will convienently explain why he won't die, besides it's rare in general to see town BP's. 4. The doctor claim makes two protective roles in the game. We have to consider the balance implications of this in a 9 player game, it's unlikely I think that both him and sir are town. 
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Why are you about to be hammered? Any scum slips, or just random?
because you and TUF won't give town information if you are town or because town is too lazy and disinterested if you are scum.  If I could tell which I would advise but I can't.
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or because town is too lazy and disinterested to pressure you if you are scum

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it's rare in general to see town BP's
that's nuts.  I have been a BP 3 or 4 games and played games with BPs in them  maybe 20-30 times and I've never once seen a scum BP.  The only kind of game with a SCUM BP would be one with a town VIG and those are far rarer than BPs.
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or because town is too lazy and disinterested to pressure you if you are scum
The only inactives this game have been supa and skittlez really. The majority of players have been pretty active. I am willing to claim if enough people wish it. I know you don't like the WIFOM "I would or wouldn't do this as scum" arguments, so you can ignore this and probably will, but to anyone else reading, I as scum would know that delaying my claim would look bad. And not to toot my own horn but I am pretty good at fake claiming. I would have claimed by now as scum. It's obvious that I think there is pretty good utility in hiding the last two claims. Especially with the cop out, because again scum now have to gamble night kills and roleblocks and decide whether I am bluffing or genuinely am a threat. I think there's utility in that alone.
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Why would you have a SCUM BP in any game unless TOWN had a NK?
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that you are a scum BP. If you're scum, you're almost certainly not a BP.
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that's nuts.  I have been a BP 3 or 4 games and played games with BPs in them  maybe 20-30 times and I've never once seen a scum BP.  The only kind of game with a SCUM BP would be one with a town VIG and those are far rarer than BPs.
Link the games with town BP? I don't remember them. Not saying you are wrong just I've been in the majority of the same games as you here.

Also the argument isn't that you would be scum BP, it's that you are scum and lying. I agree there's not many scum bulletproofs unless you count 3rd parties, which I don't think you are. Airmax I think it was recently claimed bulletproof as scum in live mafia and was scum. It turns out to be a scum fake claim more often than not. 
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Actually I will cede on the point about bulletproofs being town. I went through the archives and found 4 games you were in where there were bulletproof townies. I was not in any of them. Arthopoda, pokemon, celebrity, and pizza mafia all had town bulletproof.

Regardless, I am not convinced you are town here based on the motivations with the lover fos still.
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I believe Oro is a non-bp scum. Claiming bp is basically saying "regardless or what, I ain'd dyin in da NP", so to create the illlusion to discourage scum NK. He is just desiring for surviving in the next DP.
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Actually I will cede on the point about bulletproofs being town. I went through the archives and found 4 games you were in where there were bulletproof townies. I was not in any of them. Arthopoda, pokemon, celebrity, and pizza mafia all had town bulletproof.

wow you can search these faster than I can.  Can you produce a single example of a SCUM BP?

Regardless, I am not convinced you are town here based on the motivations with the lover fos still.
You have expressed just as much suspicion re: LOVERs claim as I. They claimed too early and then both went dark.   The difference is that I am town and am not looking for reasons to mislynch.
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wow you can search these faster than I can.  Can you produce a single example of a SCUM BP?
Not neccecary. I am not arguing that you are actually BP, but that you are scum and fake claiming. There is no way to test or prove you are a BP.

You have expressed just as much suspicion re: LOVERs claim as I. They claimed too early and then both went dark.   The difference is that I am town and am not looking for reasons to mislynch.
You were initially suspected by several people day phase one for your comment about if the lovers survive and the implications of that. Then the total 180 the next phase wehre you say you were trying to protect them makes no sense. I pointed out the wholes in the logic already. Moreover, I think you changed your stance on the lovers because you realized how badly you were scum read for those statements day phase 1. It seems like you are trying to save yourself now by changing your stance.
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holes* not wholes lol
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bump. You on bro? 


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You have expressed just as much suspicion re: LOVERs claim as I. They claimed too early and then both went dark.   The difference is that I am town and am not looking for reasons to mislynch.

Oromagi IS right about this one. Supa and Intel have been acting mad fishy despite the fact a mislynch of them could mean death to us all. 
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Oromagi IS right about this one. Supa and Intel have been acting mad fishy despite the fact a mislynch of them could mean death to us all. 
If the lovers are mafia, I will have to give them a round of applause for that masterful ploy lol. I mean this with every ounce of respect I can muster; but I don't see them making that play as scum. If I am wrong I'll get qouted for that and made fun of in the end game lol. But that is some next level gambitting and I don't think supa would take that kind of a risk.
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There is no way to test or prove you are a BP.

There would be if there was a VIG, which I kind of think there is.
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There would be if there was a VIG, which I kind of think there is.
Bruh. I straight up said I wasn't a vig, so if this is true you know it's not me. And me and ragnar are the only unclaimed. So you are basically publiclly guessing at ragnars role here. I think that is pretty anti town... You did the same thing in drafters game when you decoded intelligences claim and were pointed out why that was bad and even agreed that you did it mostly for bragging rights but thought you shouldn't have. So I am having an even harder time buying town motive for this directly after that game...
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So you are basically publiclly guessing at ragnars role here.
I said at the beginning of this DP that I don't think TOWN wins with another mislynch so let's all claim asap and have been trying to drag people out of their closets since.  I went straight for drafter's fake claim and have moved suspicion to whoever was least forthcoming.  That I am publicly guessing your & Ragnar's role is no surprise to TOWN.

If LOVERS are town, then anybody who's preaching "hey we have bags of time, let me keep my secrets" is anti-town.  Unlike SCUM, I can't tell if LOVERs are TOWN so I want full claims from everybody as if we are close to ENDGAME because we probably are.

When you read the Arrowverse wiki, many characters identify as vigilantes the word just keeps popping up and given role madness and BP and maybe even a DOC, a VIG seems very likely.  Probably a 1xVIG since I am a 1X BP.
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Well, as drafter advised last endgame, you don't convince TOWN by arguing with SCUM.