Arrowverse Mafia - DP2

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@SirAnonymous
You mind pointing me to where you outed yourself as a doctor and gave role justification?
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@SirAnonymous
You can add "Arrow" to that list.
and #251
Why not. It's obvious from my character that I'm a power role, so there's no point in hiding it. I'm the doctor. My justification is that Arrow sacrificed himself to save Earth.

Anyone already give a proper grilling on this? As we can see in the graveyard, proper names might not be given, but Arrow is the name of Oliver Queen's show, to which he was known as The Hood and Green Arrow, as opposed to just "Arrow."

And while I know scum could fake it, who did you protect NP1?
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So he never goes by Arrow?  That’s interesting
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@oromagi
I should correct myself, I just double checked, he did go by "The Arrow," and we can see in the graveyard that The Thinker got named "the Thinker," but this is still sketchy.
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@Barney
Anyone already give a proper grilling on this? As we can see in the graveyard, proper names might not be given, but Arrow is the name of Oliver Queen's show, to which he was known as The Hood and Green Arrow, as opposed to just "Arrow."
Speed just called him the Arrow.
And while I know scum could fake it, who did you protect NP1?
Supa.
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X.. Ragnar                  The Thinker                             WATCHER               #113              
TOWN                         Claim                                         Role                          DP1                NP1
3. oromagi                 Supergirl                                    BULLETPROOF   #269                N/A
7. MisterChris           Joe West                                   COP .                        #257 #342     Drafter
8. SirAnonymous    Arrow                                          DOCTOR                #157                Supa
1. skittlez09              Savitar  [1#7]                             MILLER                                            N/A
4. SupaDudz            Martin Stein [1#117]              LOVER                    #132                N/A                
5. Intelligence_06  Ronnie Raymond [1#117]  LOVER                                              N/A
2. Ragnar2                Plastique  (cop'd inno)       BOMB                      #165               N/A
6. Lunatic                  Batwoman                                 .                                  #477
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@SirAnonymous
Supa.

Makes sense
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@MisterChris
Yeah, I was hoping to save the lovers.
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Wow 12 pages already. Gimme a minute to catch up
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So how did Ragnar1 die? I have heard that the Mafia NK might be targeting us or so.

Ragnar1 is a watcher, so whatever killed him is either something similar to a PGO or something similar to a Vigilante. I might have missed some posts, so point it out if I am wrong.


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10hrs without a single post? This is madness!
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As it stands, I feel like 99% sure Oromagi is scum, it makes the most sense out of the current claimed roles so far. So whose his buddy, and who do we target next phase?

I would put chris as the lowest possibility, unless mod gave scum cop as a fake claim and miller as a fake claim, because his buddy would have to be skittlez if so. Chris is most likely town. Skittlez probably isn't lying but he's a POE option we would have to look at as well. Ragnar was copped inno, while we shouldn't discount godfather or lawyer, it looks good for him and behaviorally he's been well since replacing drafter. Other possibility is that we are all dumb and supa/intelligence really were scum from the get go. 

So that's where we are at.
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Sir is obviously sus if oro flips town by some miracle, but he's basically town confirmed if oro flips guilty from the two protective role theory.
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@Intelligence_06
So how did Ragnar1 die? I have heard that the Mafia NK might be targeting us or so.

Ragnar1 is a watcher, so whatever killed him is either something similar to a PGO or something similar to a Vigilante. I might have missed some posts, so point it out if I am wrong.
Well we were all presuming that mafia NK'd Ragnar1. There are a couple of characters that match vigilante so a VIG is at least possible and there's a couple of role s that could break the NK (BP, DOC).  It sounds like you have reason to suspect Ragnar1 did not die by NK.

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@oromagi
According to somewhat-town SirA, He protected us from dying in the night. Killing two people is more beneficial to the scum team. I don't see a reason why they would choose ragnar1 over us, and I don't see a reason either why a Vig(or any other killing role) would target us, when they behave town.

Unless there is also another killing role in the non-town faction, which is even less likely.


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we shouldn't discount godfather or lawyer
agreed.  I actually had a dream last night that Ragnar was TP, woke up, thought about it brushing my teeth and went naw.

 Other possibility is that we are all dumb and supa/intelligence really were scum from the get go.
agreed.  I don't know Intel's play that well yet but he is definitely behaving dumber and less interested than earlier games.  Supa, on the other hand, seems mostly checked out which isn't like him scum or town.

I am generally believing the claims on the table with LOVERS being the worst of these.  The wild card is the two non-claimants, you and Ragnar2.  Based on BATWOMAN's bio and the close connections between characters and ROLES my first guess is that you are VIG- maybe 1XVIG that holding on to your shot or maybe 2xVIG that hit Ragnar last night and you're afraid to say so (Ragnar was top of my SCUM pile yesterday so I wouldn't fault a VIG) and SCUM failed to NK.
I wasn't sure the thought was worth voicing until Intel seems to fishing for VIGs this AM.

I can't really tell who not to believe until everybody gives us something to believe.  Right now, you and Ragnar are the hold outs.
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According to somewhat-town SirA, He protected us from dying in the night.
He could only protect one of you and we have no reason to assume DOC saved a NK or did not save a NK, do we?

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@oromagi
Well if Scum targeted Supa and SirA protected Supa then neither of us dies.
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Among us is basically mafia, except there are only vanillas and goons.
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@Intelligence_06
Well if Scum targeted Supa and SirA protected Supa then neither of us dies.

Yes.  or if SCUM targeted me (perhaps I flatter myself to think X-ray vision fooled anybody).
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@Intelligence_06
Among us is basically mafia, except there are only vanillas and goons.

did you read that the developers were working on an AMOUNG US 2 upgrade but it the last few weeks the game has suddenly gotten so popular that they have halted a new game and redirected all resources to supporting the existing game.  The game has been around a while but hit exponential growth in popularity all of a sudden.
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Among us is basically mafia, except there are only vanillas and goons.
lol
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@oromagi
I am generally believing the claims on the table with LOVERS being the worst of these.  The wild card is the two non-claimants, you and Ragnar2.  Based on BATWOMAN's bio and the close connections between characters and ROLES my first guess is that you are VIG- maybe 1XVIG that holding on to your shot or maybe 2xVIG that hit Ragnar last night and you're afraid to say so (Ragnar was top of my SCUM pile yesterday so I wouldn't fault a VIG) and SCUM failed to NK.
I wasn't sure the thought was worth voicing until Intel seems to fishing for VIGs this AM.

I can confirm that I am not a vigilante or any type of killing role. I still think there's utility in hiding the last two claims however. I am not normally one who likes to wait to claim but in this circumstance I feel it is neccesary. Not neccesarily hinting a power role, either. I'd rather keep the mafia guessing if I am a threat or not tonight, potentially save mister chris from being blocked or killed or at least let scum WIFOM it tonight. 
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@Speedrace
Role madness games are always harder for me. For example, letting a vanilla die isn't that much of the reduction value for town, but when playing rolemad, you need to think whether or not the role is useful, or whether or not letting him die is worthy. It is role-based than player-based. Then again, if I am vanilla in any other game I am probably dead.
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@Lunatic
Sir is obviously sus if oro flips town by some miracle, but he's basically town confirmed if oro flips guilty from the two protective role theory.
I don't really buy your two protective role theory. I think two protective roles are definitely possible in order to balance the lovers. I sus oro for other reasons, though.
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@SirAnonymous
I don't really buy your two protective role theory. I think two protective roles are definitely possible in order to balance the lovers. I sus oro for other reasons, though.
I could be wrong, and I realize this is a role madness game, but two protection roles in a 9 player game seems a bit much. Though like I said it could be to balance the lovers. I don't want to assume to much but I already read oro for other reasons, your doctor claim was just icing on the cake.
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Un-official Vote Count

oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic (3/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)
Lunatic - oromagi (1/5)

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Vote Count

oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic (3/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)
Lunatic - oromagi (1/5)

totally didn't just copy Lunatic's or anything

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After some thought, I'm sticking with Oro as my scumread. If he flips innocent, I'm not sure where to go from there...