Civil War Generals Mafia DP1

I see pressuring as an act of creation, it's a great way to create content and generate reads 

I saw this from That1 and kinda got a bad feel. I only use pressure when it is a L-1, when a result comes back that suggets their mafia. Putting pressure on a group of people causes paranoia. While I did say, fair point, I somewhat disagree. Conversational that leads to VTL'ing is much different than pressuring someone. 

Am I the only one that takes pressure as a negative tool?

I'm not even sure why the Croc lynch is happening besides what Lunatic says, and even that, there's such a weak reasoning behind it that I don't find it viable to lynch him at all.

The main reason he is being lynched is that he messed up the IWWTT statement. The rest is just extra reasons.

Furthermore, I don't think that Croc is the best lynch target right now until he expresses some behavior.

And how do you force behavior out of someone? By applying pressure right? Also you just modded a game with croc playing, what behavior did anyone ever get out of him in that game other than lurky/laziness? 

Right now, his non complicity with town is a concern,

He got on, saw he was at 5/7, and rather than claim, or adress the concerns he says "hm ok" 

but that is how Croc somewhat plays as town, and while I think it's detrimental, I am not fond with the idea of lynching right now until he shows more behavioral patterns to warrant a lynch on him right now. I wan't to dive in deeper

Letting him continue to get away with detrimental behavior is going to allow you to "dive in deeper"?

That1user is objectively right with that statement though. If you are town, and know you are innocent, do you have a reason to be paranoid? Paranoia is a tell of someone who has something to hide. Pressure is not a negative tool if there is reason behind it. Voting and pressure is the only way to sus out scum. 

May want to look into replacing him

That's the main cause for all of this? I don't read into that whole fiasco. I think that sometimes mods can say different things in general and don't have a preference or specifically state it. Not gonna mod psyche, but I don't think that Pie is that type of mod to do that at all or put that much fought into a You win with the town.

You have a fair point, but it just seems like a lynch could go wrong if he has a power role in general.

While yes, his fault, and we can rip in endgame, taking that risk is huge. I think his behaviors are bad, but to have a DP1 policy on him isn't the best strategy is to win with town is your wincon

Yea now I think your town. This is the same thing you did in live mafia when Mikal was just wagoning Max, you decide to instate a policy lynch on him as town. I don't know it that will solve bad behavior. For Mikal, he is experience and knows he's doing something stupid versus Croc, who will do the same thing because he thinks he's right. Then the cycle of DP1 lynches on him continues where he flips town and then we bitch and yell

But then again, if this person is put in the pressure, then outs himself as a power role, that means the town is now in a much bigger hole than they were now. I am not opposed to pressure at all, but in DP1, I think it should try to be avoided. In Naruto Mafia, there was a lot of pressure everywhere and that led to most of the roles being outed besides Doc and Demi God and Vanilla. That gave mafia a lot of confidence in general

But then again, if this person is put in the pressure, then outs himself as a power role, that means the town is now in a much bigger hole than they were now. I am not opposed to pressure at all, but in DP1, I think it should try to be avoided. In Naruto Mafia, there was a lot of pressure everywhere and that led to most of the roles being outed besides Doc and Demi God and Vanilla. That gave mafia a lot of confidence in general

That gave mafia a lot of confidence in general

That's the main cause for all of this? I don't read into that whole fiasco. I think that sometimes mods can say different things in general and don't have a preference or specifically state it. Not gonna mod psyche, but I don't think that Pie is that type of mod to do that at all or put that much fought into a You win with the town.

So far, he is the only one who has claimed to have a different win con statement, so it would be pretty bastard if Pie did him like that. If you didn't think there was anything to the IWWTT's, why did you claim yours when oro asked instead of saying this to him from the get go?

You have a fair point, but it just seems like a lynch could go wrong if he has a power role in general.

This is why we are waiting for a role claim.

While yes, his fault, and we can rip in endgame, taking that risk is huge. I think his behaviors are bad, but to have a DP1 policy on him isn't the best strategy is to win with town is your wincon

He can stop this at any point, by ya know, participating lol.

Yea now I think your town. This is the same thing you did in live mafia when Mikal was just wagoning Max, you decide to instate a policy lynch on him as town. I don't know it that will solve bad behavior. For Mikal, he is experience and knows he's doing something stupid versus Croc, who will do the same thing because he thinks he's right. Then the cycle of DP1 lynches on him continues where he flips town and then we bitch and yell

Funnily enough with that example you mentioned, Mikal actually did change his behavior after that. The next time he played he said he wasn't going to do it anymore because it was making people mad. Also if you end up getting lynched every game, your gonna get to a point where it's not fun, and that itself will force you to play better so you can actually enjoy the game you are playing. That or he's gonna quit, which is also fine with me. This is a team game, if you aren't going to be a team player, don't play. I've done it time and time again. We had to do it with a player named royal paladin who was just as stubborn, and she got exiled from the mafia community by acting that way. Even greyparrot has been getting better than he was late last year if you've noticed. 

Pressuring someone to post/give analysis is good for DP1 town, creates responses, forces someone to engage in a potential back and forth, allows/encourages further discussion based off of that. THe goal of DP1 should be to create posts and see how people behave, pressuring achieves that goal. 

I wouldn't classify that as pressure thought. That's more like, curiosity for town

Because I saw no harm and no benefits. If I said the same thing Croc did, I'd argue it makes no different. And even with the wincon statement, the different between Win with town and Win with the town is so astronomically small, that is might be bastard, but barely noticeable and readable. I find it asinine to even have the whole chat

Mikal is more socially aware than I think Croc is in general. And while you do have a point, I want to bolster the community to join mafia and have these fun 13 person games, but that's a theory topic that I don't wanna deep into. But anyway, I don't think the same, switch my attitude approach will happen with Croc.

You are leaning me more toward a Croc lynch as well

Because I saw no harm and no benefits. If I said the same thing Croc did, I'd argue it makes no different. And even with the wincon statement, the different between Win with town and Win with the town is so astronomically small, that is might be bastard, but barely noticeable and readable. I find it asinine to even have the whole chat

Well croc has had plenty of chances to come in and correct us, to even say something like "Whoops here's what my actual PM says". Almost seems like he is giving up.

Mikal is more socially aware than I think Croc is in general. And while you do have a point, I want to bolster the community to join mafia and have these fun 13 person games, but that's a theory topic that I don't wanna deep into. But anyway, I don't think the same, switch my attitude approach will happen with Croc.

You are leaning me more toward a Croc lynch as well

I am not trying to pressure you into lynching croc by any means, I am just defending the reasons why he is being lynched. If your gut is telling you he is town I understand. I myself am not sold he is scum, but I see the benefits to the lynch either way.

I take pressure in a negative connotation, peer pressure, wind pressure, a lot of negatives. This is positive pressure, but there's a word for it

I with agree with most of that. But I'd also say that this compares more toward an undercover cop arresting and interrogating the criminal, but the cop can't do much more because he was found out as a cop, so his face is known

Also, why were you saying that was the principle reason for his lynch wagon even though you also agreed with me that it was probably just a mistake due to laziness than a scum tell?