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@Mopac
I personally think all of the above exist. But you forgot to put (s) next to god. God(s) exist.
Can you tell the difference between these definitions?
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@Outplayz
The Ultimate Reality is by definition One.
There are many gods, many realities, but The Ultimate Reality is One, as God is One, and all these realities exist by and through The Ultimate Reality just as all these gods exist by and through God.
But the kicker is, all of these realities and gods are ultimately unreal. They are real only in a sense. The Most Real, True Reality is only God.
And because of this, God is savior of all worlds.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is by definition One.
I agree with you until you start defining things and talking about this god's attributes, etc. You say it does this or that, it is this or that. It's simple if you just keep it as all of reality is god. In a pantheistic sense, i agree. I agree that there is one universal multiversal consciousness and we are all part of this source. However, i don't agree that the Bible is the only means of understanding this source's spiritual reality. Also i don't agree that this source is a "who" ... it's everything therefore isn't any kind of individual. It doesn't answer prayers, it doesn't care what we do, it doesn't dictate heaven or hell, etc. When we die and become a part of it... we also become everything. Then, in order to have our next experience, we individualize within the source again and start moving away from being this source to make another individual journey in this realm or another realm where gnomes are real if one wants. So, this source is just the platform to all of our experiencing.
And because of this, God is savior of all worlds.
And there you go falling off your definition of this god; making no sense. It's everything, it knows everything, it knows every beginning and end... how does it save the world when it knows every characters story? It knows all of our destinies, it knows all of good and all of evil. It knows where this world started and where it will end. It doesn't save anything bc it is everything. Every wrong and right. Every animal and human. Every war and peace time. We are a book it has read a thousand times infinity times. There is nothing or no one it saves... saving yourself is up to you - the individual observer having this corporeal existence.. not the source.
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@Outplayz
Maybe you don't really understand what I'm saying as well as you think you do.
Lets keep it simple.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is.
That is not the same thing as whatever you, I, or anybody thinks or believes it to be.
Can we agree on this?
Ultimate nonsense. You've said nothing here.The Ultimate Reality is God.The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is God.
I can agree with a pantheistic view that everything is a manifestation of a higher consciousness.
The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is
This doesn't make sense. If we are saying everything is a manifestation of a higher consciousness then that is what it is. You don't need to try and get fancy with explaining it. Gold is right in that you don't say much when it comes to explaining it but then you assert implications that contradict what you are saying. You don't have to do that. All you can say is that it's possible that there is a infinite consciousness which we are all a part of. Call it god, i'll call it the source. Other than that... you are just playing word games in trying to explain it. "The source is whatever the source is" ... okay. Does that make sense to you? All i have to say is that there is a source... source being a higher infinite consciousness.
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@Outplayz
The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is. This is to contrast with The Ultimate Reality is what I can make sense to be that.
You say that doesn't make sense?
I am not playing word games.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is whatever The Ultimate Reality is.I am not playing word games.
Lol. That's exactly what you're doing, playing word games.
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@Mopac
I am not playing word games.
Yes you are. I personally think this is a deflection tactic. You are focusing on mixing words up and pretending like we just don't get it. This is to avoid the deeper questions of actually saying what you believe bc i just don't think you are capable in elucidating. I believe god is x. Like i've told you for me personally -- I believe "god" equals a higher consciousness. An eternal incorporeal consciousness and everything is a manifestation happening within this source. Succinctly done. Now you understand what i believe and you can lambaste it away. My job is to justify why i find this entity to be possible and i welcome any refutation bc i can explain myself as much as it's possible. But we can't even get there with you bc you would rather give us ambiguous sentences and terms. To me this comes across as you not being confident enough to address and justify your belief... bc i think you know where it leads assuming it leads to Christianity... which is just another fallible human creation and couldn't be any further from the Truth of the Absolute Reality. So you'd rather avoid getting there and just play word games. If i am wrong... then cut the games and explain yourself.
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@Outplayz
Why should I explain myself to someone calling me a liar?
I am very open about my believe. I am very secure in what I believe.
I am an unashamed Christian. I don't believe for a second you know what that means. I also don't believe you care. You, after all, have it all figured out.
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@Mopac
I am an unashamed Christian.
Below is an excerpt from an Unashamed Christian, scary stuff.
Let us make it our aim that we will be unashamed of everything that the Bible describes as the will of God as it was or is to be done when God appointed for it to be done. For example, unashamed of God’s command in the book of Joshua that all the Canaanites be killed. Unashamed of his permission of polygamy and divorce and slavery in the Old Testament. Unashamed of his command that Isaiah walk around naked. Unashamed of the inspired writers’ holy hatred of wicked people — in the Psalms, for example. Unashamed of the creation of the world six thousand years ago, if that’s what the text teaches. Unashamed of the command that spiritually qualified men, rather than women, be the elders of churches and the heads of two-parent families. Unashamed that there is only one way of salvation — through knowing and believing the gospel of Christ. Unashamed of the teaching that those who practice homosexuality or greed or drunkenness or reviling or swindling, and are unrepentant, will suffer eternally in hell.
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@Mopac
Why should I explain myself to someone calling me a liar?
I'm not calling you a liar... i'm saying you are being ambiguous and confusing to deflect from examining this god you believe in.
I am very open about my believe. I am very secure in what I believe.
Good for you, so am i. The difference is i can explain my beliefs and how they could be a possibility. I have attempted at letting you explain yours but since it truly isn't yours... i don't think you are able to and must fall back on a god of gaps type mentality. That's why you deflect.
I also don't believe you care. You, after all, have it all figured out.
I don't have it all figured out however i am quite obsessed in figuring it out. This has lead me to examine as many beliefs and philosophies as i've been able to. And the fact is... there are too many interpretations to learn them all... that's why i asked you about yours... but, you don't shoot straight buddy... that's your problem... thinking i don't understand or care is your misconception.
I am an unashamed Christian. I don't believe for a second you know what that means.
This could mean thousands of things and is still ambiguous. Are you the type that thinks Jesus turned water into wine or walked on water literally... or are you the type that thinks that is a metaphor, simile, analogy, etc... or are you the type that thinks that happened in another universe... or are you the type that thinks everything in the Bible mainly happened in heaven or another universe? etc... ad nauseam. Although, i am most interested in how you define god bc yeah... i think i understand "god" better than most... at least much better than those that call themselves Christian. I don't truly think you are like the everyday Christian, however, i have no reason so far to not suspect you are.
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@Outplayz
I tell you what my faith is and you won't believe me or it isn't good enough.
My God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
My religion is to abide in The Truth.
I believe that everyone is wrong and that God is right. I believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
The everyday Christian is in the classroom just like everybody else.
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@Mopac
I believe that everyone is wrong and that God is right.
And as you say................you are wrong.
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@disgusted
Can you admit that you are wrong?
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@Mopac
I'm just pointing out to that by your beliefs everything you believe is wrong so why do you preach falsehoods?
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@disgusted
Can you admit that you are wrong?
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@Mopac
About what? The non existence of gods, NO! Because I'm not. But according to you, you are wrong about everything. Care to respond?
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@disgusted
Can you admit you are wrong?
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@Mopac
Answered. Now it's your turn.LOL
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@disgusted
So you are never wrong?
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@Mopac
My God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
Can you admit you are wrong?
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@Goldtop
Can you admit you are wrong?
I have no problem admitting I am wrong. I know I am wrong. The one who is right is God. The Truth is God. That is my God.
I am wrong, I am aa fallible human being, but I know who is right.
The God deniers cannot even admit they are ever wrong.
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@Mopac
Then, it's unanimous.I have no problem admitting I am wrong. I know I am wrong.
You know the truth isn't in these God deniers because they can't even admit they are ever wrong.
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@Mopac
I tell you what my faith is and you won't believe me or it isn't good enough.
No you don't... that's your problem. You don't tell me anything other than supreme this or that. You aren't defining what you believe therefore i have no clue what your talking about to even begin to think if it's good enough or not.
My God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.My religion is to abide in The Truth.
Vague, vague and vague. I also believe 'my god' is the ultimate reality. But i can define what i mean, you can't.
I believe that everyone is wrong and that God is right. I believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
How can you believe this when you can't even define your god?
The everyday Christian is in the classroom just like everybody else.
The everyday Christian is ignorant and anything but in a classroom setting... i would correlate it to a cult more than a classroom. They only know what is preached to them. The everyday Christian doesn't scrupulously study spirituality or even their own faith for that matter.
“Most Americans don’t know first-hand the overall story of the Bible—because they rarely pick it up,” McConnell said. “Even among worship attendees less than half read the Bible daily. The only time most Americans hear from the Bible is when someone else is reading it.”
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@Outplayz
Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, that is God.
What do you want, a grand unified thereom?
As I originally stated, what I say isn't good enough for you. You want me to fabricate something so that I can present you a created thing as God. That isn't what I believe, that is what you believe. I am not a pagan.
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@Mopac
Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, that is God.
"Whatever" it is? You are insinuating you don't know?
As I originally stated, what I say isn't good enough for you. You want me to fabricate something so that I can present you a created thing as God. That isn't what I believe, that is what you believe. I am not a pagan.
Again... so are you admitting that you can't define this god... you just think / know it is all of reality?
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@Mopac
No such thing as an Ultimate Reality has been shown to exist, so that would make God "no such thing". Seems about right.Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, that is God.