Naruto Mafia DP1

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Definitively saying there's no way a certain theme could exist implies inside knowledge.
I’m not saying it’s 100%. I’m just saying it’s more likely than than not that the theme isnt Good vs Evil just based on history
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2. oromagi                       
TOWN                               CLAIM
7. WaterPhoenix
4. That1User                  Sakura Haruno
9. Speedrace                   Gaara                         PARANOID GUN OWNER
11. Pattern
5. iLikePie5
8. Crocodile 
3. MrChris
1. skittlez09
6. BearMan                     Hint?
10. Ragnar
12. Greyparrot
SCUM                              CLAIM

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] Water
WaterPhoenix [1/7] Bear
Greyparrot [4/7] Pattern, That1User, oromagi, skittlez09





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@ILikePie5
I’m not saying it’s 100%. I’m just saying it’s more likely than than not that the theme isnt Good vs Evil just based on history
Mmmm.. This is fine and understandable. I know you are not asserting the notion of the theme presumptions with 100%, I am mostly speaking to the confidence in which it was spoken, implying said informed-ness. It will mostly be suspicious if it turns out to be true. 
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Mmmm.. This is fine and understandable. I know you are not asserting the notion of the theme presumptions with 100%, I am mostly speaking to the confidence in which it was spoken, implying said informed-ness. It will mostly be suspicious if it turns out to be true. 
I mean I’m pretty confident that all the regulars would agree with me but ok?
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What’s the difference between guessing a theme and saying it’s most likely not that theme based on historical precedents. I’m not denying that her theory could occur, im just saying it’s not as likely.
We need to develop an alternate theory beyond good vs. evil then, it doesn't make sense for us to both be town if you're an antagonist and I'm a protagonist without one. Initially believed you were poisoning the well by opposing the Naruto friends/enemies dichtomy and advancing a distraction.  The alternate theory makes sense from your perspective though since you are town and an antagonist in your view. Pattern being so against your certainty but not against mine is questionable.
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@ILikePie5
Pressure isn’t just one vote. Pressure rn would be on GP because he has 4 on his wagon. At least that’s how I and others interpret it to be. Your theory is possible but unlikely since we know only two characters at this point. I’ve made various games where some the “good guys” are scum along with some of the “bad guys.” I don’t have an alternative theory. All I’m saying is your theory necessarily isn’t true 99% of the time. My biggest problem right now is Pattern and his sheer hypocrisy.
That's what I feared, a lynching bandwagon instigated by oromagi, wanted to prevent what's happening to Grey from happening.

Unvote Greyperrot


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Mmmmm....
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We need to develop an alternate theory beyond good vs. evil then, it doesn't make sense for us to both be town if you're an antagonist and I'm a protagonist without one. Initially believed you were poisoning the well by opposing the Naruto friends/enemies dichtomy and advancing a distraction.  The alternate theory makes sense from your perspective though since you are town and an antagonist in your view. Pattern being so against your certainty but not against mine is questionable.
I think we should pressure people we find suspicious for full claims. For me that would be Greyparrot but he’s AWOL rn so🤷‍♂️
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Pattern being so against your certainty but not against mine is questionable.
Again, you have claimed one of the main characters.  Also theme guess work is not the issue, its the way it's approached. The air of confidence around the disapproval of your theory is what I am questioning of him, not simple guesswork at what the theme is. 
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If that is the case, any protective users would be smart to protect him, no? I'd assume Supa would include some. 
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@Pattern
Again, you have claimed one of the main characters.  Also theme guess work is not the issue, its the way it's approached. The air of confidence around the disapproval of your theory is what I am questioning of him, not simple guesswork at what the theme is. 
I made it clear in the middle of our discussion why I don’t think it’s true
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@BearMan
Also, I agree that interrogating That1User is not in our best interest.
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why did you full claim?
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@Pattern
Again, you have claimed one of the main characters.  Also theme guess work is not the issue, its the way it's approached. The air of confidence around the disapproval of your theory is what I am questioning of him, not simple guesswork at what the theme is. 
He seemed to hit hard/plow through my theory initially, antagonistic right off the bat, this could either be a dismantling of the true good/evil split between Naruto's friends and enemies or an earnest attempt to rid of unlikely scenarios.
You should have questioned me too but you seem to respond more to aggression rather than certainty in theory 
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I made it clear in the middle of our discussion why I don’t think it’s true
Because of the moderators past games? Maybe this is a truth.  It was just something of note. Maybe you are correct in this, but I am analyzing and using what I see and know, and maybe not being familiar with the mods past games puts me at a dis-advantage. 
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i'd also like to confirm that i am one of naruto's friends and the way my pm is worded seems to make it that the town split is naruto's friends vs naruto's enemies.
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He seemed to hit hard/plow through my theory initially, antagonistic right off the bat, this could either be a dismantling of the true good/evil split between Naruto's friends and enemies or an earnest attempt to rid of unlikely scenarios.
You should have questioned me too but you seem to respond more to aggression rather than certainty in theory 
I don't see why I would need to have questioned you when the situation is different. I do not disapprove of theory guess work, I am analyzing motives behind the guess work.

Can you elaborate further about the aggression portion? You've lost me.
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@oromagi
Out of curiosity, why did you remove the link to your hint?

I'm pretty sure it's every game you point back to that to prove that you encoded information into it.

Also next update should probably change User's link to https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Haruno

I'm never sure if wiki pages or the original claim are more useful, but either way it's probably best to be consistent.
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My two cents:

Based off my role, Oromagi's claim to not be on the list Bear gave, and the rest of the roles given, I would say that generally Naruto-oriented people in the anime will be town oriented and vice versa. Keyword: GENERALLY. There may be an exception, or even multiple that we do not yet know about. That's entirely possible. 

I believe it is a much more valuable use of our time to pressure some of the more questionable users instead of arguing about the matter further. 
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Oromagi poem… Cryptic message? Also, accuses me off the bat. I chose not to answer the accusation because I felt it wasn’t going anywhere… But Oromagi is a smart strategist. He knows that random accusations are not a smart strategy for a town win. What is his game? That said, Oro’s later statements seem to indicate he is town affiliated. Verdict: Oromagi reads town so far.
His town meta is random accusations at the beginning of DP1
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@Speedrace
I see. Thanks. I have no previous mafia experience
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@WaterPhoenix
why did you full claim?
So no one visits me lol
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@MisterChris
My two cents:

Based off my role, Oromagi's claim to not be on the list Bear gave, and the rest of the roles given, I would say that generally Naruto-oriented people in the anime will be town oriented and vice versa. Keyword: GENERALLY. There may be an exception, or even multiple that we do not yet know about. That's entirely possible. 

I believe it is a much more valuable use of our time to pressure some of the more questionable users instead of arguing about the matter further. 
Who is suspicious in your view? Skittlez hasn't seen any pressure.
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No problem
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VTL GreyParrot

If he's not gonna play then he needs to die
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His town meta is random accusations at the beginning of DP1
Oromagi is a Pressurer, he pressures users to gather information, his analysis makes him look pro to me
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That too
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@WaterPhoenix
i'd also like to confirm that i am one of naruto's friends and the way my pm is worded seems to make it that the town split is naruto's friends vs naruto's enemies.
Thank you, this helps a lot, since your PM semi-confirms this there is reason to believe antagonists are probably scum
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VTL GreyParrot

If he's not gonna play then he needs to die

This may be a harsh truth, but a truth nonetheless.
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@ILikePie5
you asking me to full claim?