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@Vader
What's your hand on this day phase? 

It is important that both you and Bearman claim this before we lynch.

It's also important that Croc talks at all, simply because Croc has to confirm that I was valid in my tracking result and also reveal the result of his investigation.
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4 hearts and 5 diamonds
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@Vader
Bold honesty, lol. We may have to lynch you to stop mafia potentially getting the NK but I do think it's Bearman at this point.
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@BearMan
You’re telling me you couldn’t log onto your phone, submit a night action within 48hrs, say one sentence, and then go about. No this is a scum move without a doubt. You don’t just, not use your action
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@Vader
We could VTNL and you NK bearman.
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All I know is that you and me are town. That’s all. You did not kill Pie and I know I didn’t kill him

I’m down to 1/3
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Press

I’m waiting for Croc to respond before I go with my vote
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Meh. Ik it’s bold but when people come and respond, I’ll have a very solid read on people. Once Croc confirmes who he watched, I think it’s set and stone

If we mislynch and then mafia kill, it’s 2v1. At the point we can narrow it down based on our reads for the this day
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I only slight sus Press for is unwillingness to cooperate with cards, but he’s not a worry. BearMan is strong scum 
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And no I don’t buy Bear’s stupid activity excuse. My life doesn’t revolve around mafia either and I’ve been busy with things as well. I was still able to submit a fucking NP action. It’s inexcusable
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Bear was the only one not actively on the Speed lynch. He’s been on every VTNL wagon. He’s probably getting advice behind the scenes from Speed and Oromagi to tell him what to do.

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He is acting extremely defensive in this game. I understand the will for defense, but attacking is a key party. Oromagi and Speed did all the attacking, meaning he most likely was the defense, only there to stay alive. This is why he’s hopping on VTNL wagons. I believe he was even on my wagon before the shift. His slight rubber ball (a sign of mafia noob), defensive play, and this NP, I am very inclined to believe BearMan is scum
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If Bear flips town, it will either be me or RM dying in the night. 

If this is the case, the scenario plays as this

RM
Press
Croc

Or 

Supa
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Croc

At the point, I would vote Croc, due to his alleged visit.

In conclusion, we don’t need a VTNL to win. We shouldn’t jump to the lynch, but we should communicate and try to see what things we can catch
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My opinion is that we lynch Bear, and then NK someone

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@Vader
My opinion is that we lynch Bear, and then NK someone

You don't think the game ends when we lynch bear?

By the way, the bold claim was that you admitted you had 2 pair and potential for fullhouse and four of a kind.
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@Vader
 You did not kill Pie and I know I didn’t kill him
Croc NK'd Pie. NKing Pie with the claimed best hand is not a scumtell.
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@Vader
If we mislynch and then mafia kill, it’s 2v1.
No man, your hand allows you to easily grab fullhouse and we know from the day 1 fiasco that Mafia are able to get double kill capacity when they hit hardcore hands. Obviously you have 2 shots at 4 of a kind too but that's kind of unrealistic to predict.
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@Vader
We know that Mafia is capable of getting double-vote and I think it's from fullhouse, not 4 of a kind. I think Oromagi lied about his hand because if he had fullhouse it meant he had to admit to vig-killing someone. I think Mafia gets double-kill capacity with four of a kind.

Alternatively, they have somewhat mirrored abilities to Town but instead of tracking, they get roleblocking.
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@Vader
The only way you win as mafia in this scenario is if we lynch Bearman, you get an ability to NK for best hand and on top of that have the double vote next day phase and then best hand that night (assuming only 1 mafia is left and that it's you).

So, I am not entirely happy with a Bearman lynch here, I'd rather VTNL and let you use your best-hand NK power on Bearman.
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@Vader
To be honest I don't entirely know what's best here as everything has almost equal risk involved in a true sense of pros vs cons.
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Actually I don't even care anymore if everyone except supa and I will be lazy and/or inactive.
VTL Bearman

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Tbh I thank mafia for not NKing me when they could. I finally got to shine in this game.
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Official Vote Count

bear (1/3) - RM,

Not voting: supa, press, croc, bear

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@RationalMadman
Do you really want to rush the lynch on Bear? I think we should get enough information out of him
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@Crocodile
Tell us about your visit to Supa
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ha ok VTL Bearman
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You’re telling me you couldn’t log onto your phone, submit a night action within 48hrs, say one sentence, and then go about. No this is a scum move without a doubt. You don’t just, not use your action
Yeah well thats if I had a phone in the first place.
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@BearMan
what are your cards this day phase?
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@Vader
if you are mafia pls dont nk have some guts and face me off properly.
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btw if Supa is Mafia and NK's don't worry about your hands, bet no matter what and hope you get best hand and then NK him.