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Do you realise that mafia firstly need a good hand tk even have a power? Secondly most of town's power, if theg have any will beosused and a waste if we leave things in  the dark.
They can cheat. Letting scum know what town is going to do is like giving them a blank check.

Secondly, ot helps js bet or not bet with more certainty of card odds. You sau 'cheat' but what we are doing is cheating and collision in loker, becauae even two people sharing cards gives each player aassive overall edge over many hands. We would be having 4-5 player collusion vs 1-2 players.
The collusion is even possible cause we cannot account for the turn and river card. If mafia know who’s betting and who’s not it only benefits them after the turn and river are revealed 
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That's why we share. Let's say you have a good hand but one or two ogher players have cards that imply you won't hot your hand. You then fold it of there's a cop candidate likely (probably don't fold ot, thsy just cop outsode you gove this flop allows two viable straights with an unlikely third possible, there's little reason to fold).

We also can let a terrobld hand bet if noone has any cards countering a pair hot for it, just because it will be worth the risk , especially if that's townread by the cop player so wouldn't be investigated anyway. We keep targets of trackers and watchers secret to a degree, it's important we force some to confirm others.
That’s not covering our tracks by any means. Anyone who doesn’t have a hand should be folding period. If someone gets cop powers they should investigate the person find scummy. Whoever gets the NK should either shoot someone they find scummy or who we as a town agree to shoot in the night. 

We shouldn’t be taking any risks here. The mafia are on the run, not us. Randomness is our friend. The less scum know the less they can outmaneuver us.
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Ok, I see your point. Unless mafia can NK each other (which would be either genius or really stupid), Croc must be town.
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I believe they can, I think it's a hitman mechanic equivalent to the town vig power. I do think that Croc may have bussed Oromaginat Oromagi's own request even, since Oromagiw as so scummy that Croc would not have been able to explain the NK onwon someone whowwho wasn't Oromagi once pressure came to proving hands etc.
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That’s not covering our tracks by any means. Anyone who doesn’t have a hand should be folding period.

No they shouldn't. For example.why would QK, JQ or 78 and 910 fold.here if noone else has tbe card to stop.their steaight and pair(s) hitting?

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That’s not covering our tracks by any means. Anyone who doesn’t have a hand should be folding period.
If you have 35 and are tow reas by others and noone else.has 3 or 5 I support you betting. You even can catch 34567 of I'm wrong about recycling, on the river. I don't actually think it's impossible even if I'm right but we'll discuss more once cards are revealed.
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Townread*
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unvote bear cuz hes active now.

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No they shouldn't. For example.why would QK, JQ or 78 and 910 fold.here if noone else has tbe card to stop.their steaight and pair(s) hitting?
JQ should 100% be betting. The other two are user discretion. In a normal poker game I would definitely bet with those hands at least up to the turn. In this scenario I’d fold. If you have nothing after the flop you should likely be folding. This isn’t the average poker game.
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If you have 35 and are tow reas by others and noone else.has 3 or 5 I support you betting. You even can catch 34567 of I'm wrong about recycling, on the river. I don't actually think it's impossible even if I'm right but we'll discuss more once cards are revealed.
35 shouldn’t be betting here period.
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Ok, I see your point. Unless mafia can NK each other (which would be either genius or really stupid), Croc must be town.
I don’t see why they couldn’t to gain towncred. 
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Letting mafia know our cards is like full claiming in a normal game. They know what they have to do and can easily circumvent any plan we make especially considering we don’t know the turn or the river. Also consider that mafia can cheat to benefit themselves. Revealing our cards is grounds for disaster. We have mafia on the run. Why give them a lifeline by revealing the only things that matter in this game?
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I suggest we VTNL this DP and either come to a consensus on who to NK or agree to NK who we find scum and let stuff play out. It’s 5-1 right now. We have at least 3 DPs more assuming we continue to VTNL. Sooner or later we hit scum either through investigations or NKs. 
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Why vtnl? 

shouldn't we try to find who scum is and lynch them earlier than later
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Why vtnl? 

shouldn't we try to find who scum is and lynch them earlier than later
The more nights we get the more information we can get to narrow down scum.
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How many more nights does mafia need to ultimately win?
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I think we should lynch
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Without lynching probably 5 cause they have to kill all of us.
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I think we should lynch
Who?
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If there's two and if they get lucky again, only one or two given that they can force vtnl or even a lynch woth their double vote and nightkill if town is disorganised . Otherwise three is more realistic if we play passove, cowardly and gain zero worthwile information as we refuse to out our cards. All that happens is I die tonight most likely.
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You are intentionally deceiving town, rishing to a night where qe lack sufficient information of cards during the day and making us waste our ability to better asses card odds from sharing cards.
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Otherwise three is more realistic if we play passove, cowardly and gain zero worthwile information as we refuse to out our cards. All that happens is I die tonight most likely.
You or me assuming mafia get the NK or someone thinks we’re scum. We gain a lot of information based on roles tonight. Information and logistics scum won’t have
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They know what they have to do and can easily circumvent any plan we make especially considering we don’t know the turn or the river. Also consider that mafia can cheat to benefit themselves. Revealing our cards is grounds for disaster. We have mafia on the run. Why give them a lifeline by revealing the only things that matter in this game?
No it isn't at all like you say. Mafoa don't have nightkill at all by default in these situations so you can't even begin to compare it. Additionally, we're fucking ourselves overore than them. You're right we don't knwk the thrn and river, we could better guess what it will vs won't be if we know more hands that aren't left to be dealt 
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We gain a lot of information based on roles tonight.
No, we get barely anything if we don't share carda, we may even get false reports from cops based on people betting when they would habe folded had they known others' cards reduce their chance to hit a pair.
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You are intentionally deceiving town, rishing to a night where qe lack sufficient information of cards during the day and making us waste our ability to better asses card odds from sharing cards.
We can get information tomorrow after we use our roles. Why do you want to give scum a blank check? Do you not have faith in town that they’ll use their roles properly? Like what are you trying to say?
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if we VTNL, and mafia does a NK, we're screwed.


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People may even track the same target due to our lack of organisation.
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No we aren't screwed unless they also got double vote and get NK the next night.
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No, we get barely anything if we don't share carda, we may even get false reports from cops based on people betting when they would habe folded had they known others' cards reduce their chance to hit a pair.
Fold if you don’t know what to do. It’s simple. You don’t need to put your nose in everyone else’s cards. Revealing our cards to scum is like pulling your pants down. 
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if we VTNL, and mafia does a NK, we're screwed.

Can you answer my question and why?