Naruto Discussion

Something interesting for you to discuss (though slightly inappropriate):

The Hyūga Clan engaged in regular incest between cousins (if not siblings at some point) to keep their bloodline pure yet no gene-damage was seen either mentally or physically across the generations (in fact they seemed to be getting faster and more agile with their use of the Byakugan eyes).

How is this feasible?

@RationalMadman

I really don't know what it is with anime and incest. So many popular shows have incest, it's insane. And worse yet, their kids never have any gene issues. I honestly don't know why, and having a sibling makes it extremely uncomfortable watching anime with incest...

For the naruto thing though, well maybe they just used some jutsu called "Diver Gene Pool Justsu: Third Configuration, No Incest!" there have been weirder.

not diver diverse i suck at english

In Japan, incest is legal and is sometimes common practice. There is no taboo talking about it. This was a common practice in Ancient Japan. In the west, it is a bad topic, but in the East, they are much more open to discussing incest. Post War, they disapproved of it. But in Naruto, they probably kept with ancient tradition. It was a common thing to do within royal families

TL;DR, they don't believe incest is wrong, and they wanted to idealize it. Plus, I do think the show takes place in a time where tech doesn't exist (besides Boruto)

The scene with Sakura fucking up that dude literally had my jaw unintentionally drop w/o me noticing for several seconds. Sasuke has some catching up to do lol. I would say my favorite character so far is Kakashi. Don't think I have a least favorite yet but Naruto is definitely trying his best to earn that spot, he is annoying af though I am sure that will change in later episodes as being the title character it is pretty inevitable that his strength will eventually catch up to his ego (though it hasn't quite yet where I am at).

As for the incest thing, like Supa said it is probably just due to the cultural difference between Japan and the west in that regard. The show demonstrates that the people have an understanding of science comparable to our modern day so they could feasibly have devised some solution to that problem.

35 episodes in and I have seen miniaturized radios headsets, aluminum cans, pocket watches, construction cranes, indoor plumbing, refrigerators, tv screens, video surveillance cameras, etc. They also demonstrate their understanding of science is about on par with ours a few times so other tech is not unlikely.

I understand why people don't like Naruto, but you have to understand why he acts up and does what he does is because he wants to be recognized because he doesn't have any parents to teach him in the first and grew up all alone

Imagine a 20 year old man that just graduated high school a few months ago and is now trying to get a degree in physics but still has to be reminded of basic lessons from 9th grade chemistry yet keeps insisting that he will be awarded a Nobel prize one day, shouting in people's faces about how smart and talented he is.

That is Naruto.

Naruto has a drive and a will to conquer any goal. He isn't the most knowledgeable (and this is KEY in the story, just remember that), but he someone who works extremely hard and wants to do hard missions to prove himself. I love Naruto's work ethic and his drive to do more and keep improving. 

By FAR my favorite character is Naruto. Yes, I'm basic.

That makes sense actually, the Uzumakis embody right-wing Libertarianism whereas the Uchihas embody right-wing Convervatism. I would say the the left-wing characters are tossed aside as 'support characters' and 'inferior bloodlines' a lot of the time. For instance, Hinata's group within Hyūga are more left-wing and seen as weaker as well (irrationally so).

The entire show has a right-wing bias but I enjoy it regardless because it is very deep compared to almost any anime at all out there. Danzō is in a way brutal left-wing Conservatism but that again goes along with their bias against left-wing and incorrect portrayal of it. Ninja are, in general, extremely right-wing in their ethos since it's 'only the strongest, fastest and most cunning survive and thrive' mentality that defines their culture. They can be very left-wing within their clan though and Sakura is an example of that but she wasn't raised as a ninja. I would say that Team Gai (despite having Neji on them) were a very good example of 'left wing ethos' in both how they fought together by pushing the workload onto their teammates in very efficient shared reliance on one another as well as that despite Rock Lee blatantly being his favourite, he refused to ever go easier on Lee based on that. The original Team Kakashi was very unfairly right-wing in their ethos but once Sai replaced Sasuke it changed fast and Naruto learned a lot about not taking all the limelight and working 'together' not just 'with others out of necessity' which is the core difference between left-wing and right-wing ethos.

I think the way you tied the characters into ideology is interesting, and I would say parts of that are valid comparisons. I think probably the hard work > talent theme that Naruto and Rock Lee share is a great part of libertarian ethos and I would agree with you that the left wing ethos of community effort works similar to that of clans and certain squads. For further example, look into how the Uchiha prioritize their kin over the village, they have a close-knit community that feels as though the system is against them (you could potentially draw parallels to classism in Marxist theory). Obviously they are portrayed as having invalid grievances, but it's simply an example.

IMO, A lot of the comparisons are a stretch though, especially for something not intended to make political commentary (I also don't think the Right wing ethos is as Darwinian as you portray, it's more like as Fuegoleon Vermillion says in Black Clover: "There isn’t any shame in being weak, the shame is in willfully staying weak." )  

Right-Wing ethos is Darwinian but in practise, right-wing conservatism never ends up being Darwinian, as nepotism stagnates competition within a generation or two. This is why the Uchiha lost completely in the end, they kept preying on each other too much.

While I see right-wing libertarianism as better at competing, I by no means advocate it all that much since it's a lie. If you're not sharing and caring, then only the strong/smart/fast/cunning survive.

You're being surprisingly non-aggressive towards me right now, where is the real RM?! Nah, but seriously, you're a cool guy when you're not angry. Thanks for having the chat with me, I'm going to sleep for tonight

He is my favorite in the show, but I want to have another go to. Everyone’s goal should be Naruto, work hard to achieve your goals. His passion and motives push him above everyone else. He has an attitude in the beginning because he had no parents to teach him. In fact ******SPOILER ALERT********

He ask Iruka to be his father in his wedding

His father figure was someone not related by blood. He has struggled so much in life and yet people still bash him at his best form. They don’t understand the struggle he’s been through

You are just typing nonsense like he's 'unmatched in any way'. Naruto was a freak of nature almost entirely due to the nine-tailed fox. He himself is just another Ninja on an elitist bloodline that was known for fast and brutal moves and which had extreme influence in Konoha (the Uzumakis). Sure, his childhood was tough to a degree but in other ways it was the opposite of shit because he had people who severely admired and shielded him due precisely to both what was stored inside him and who his father was.

He got to brag, boast say "I will be Hokage" over and over and it came true because he has more plot armour than any character ever seen in Animes. If you actually analyse how many people were after him from so many different angles, he should have kept a low profile and become a rogue ninja of sorts but he was enabled to be famous and influential despite the entire Akatsuki (excluding Itachi who probably would have defended Naruto), Orochimaru, Ōtsutsuki Clan and many others being completely after him and resenting him. Naruto is forced to be the one you root for because you only get to appreciate friendship and tearing apart of friendships when it revolves around him. When he strikes a motherfucker down with a rasengan, you're obligated to go 'they deserved it and this is not a tragedy' because the storyling blackmails you to if you want to keep enjoying it.

Naruto was still strong even without his nine tailed spirit. He had spectacular stamina due to his large chakra reserve, it’s just that he had a lack of chakra control. In his quest with Jiraya, he was taught Chakra control heavily in this period to the point where he become a freak. Remember, he never mastered the 9 tailed power, even in kid form.

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He beat Neji in a skilled manner, by creating a diversion to catch him off guard. He beat Gaara’s one tail by giving a solid headbutt. Kid Naruto was strong. When he mastered the control of the Nine Tailed and then gained access to all the tailed beasts, he was virtually unstoppable. He also has a power for people to display confidence in what he does. That is the greatest power

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While yes, Naruto rants in the beginning are annoying to a degree, you have to understand. And yes, I think striking people with a Rasengan is fine. Are you seriously gonna let bad people like Kabuto get away. They weren’t good people

Kid Naruto had huge reserves thanks to nine-tailed Kyūbi, Kurama. It doesn't only benefit him when he's unleashing it, it gives him higher base Chakra capacity. Kurama often shared with Naruto, I don't think you know that Jinchūrikis automatically get higher chakra reserves due to the interaction between the Bijuu and them.

I understand that, but his reserves are high even BEFORE he controlled the Nine Tailed

That is because Kurama was always a more reasonable Bijuu to its Jinchuuriki than most. For instance, Gaara's one was very sinister and I don't think he ever was truly able to tame it, he just kept negotiating with it in a toxic way until you-know-what happened.

Naruto and Kurama actually ended up best friends as his relationship with the Bijuu progressed. This was very important because it motivated it to release more to Naruto and to not need to hijack him when releasing itself fully to/for him.

I’d honestly agree with you. But I wouldn’t say it’s all Kurama’s doing. Naruto had a special ability with his chakra. I quote Karin’s observation of him before he tamed the nine tails, she said his chakra was extremely bright, but a bit of chakra was so dark. Naruto has the ability to control the dark chakra to his light chakra he had. He beamed like a light when it was tamed

But they would be SO MUCH less annoying if Naruto was actually skilled/impressive in some way other than "lol infinite chakra cuz fox *troll face*"

Maybe he will be at some point but for now I am still on episode 75 and so far he, quite frankly... isn't.

I have been thinking though... You know how about half the fights start out with knife throws that would be incredibly impressive in real life but in the context of the show always end up completely useless because the target just dodges or blocks without even trying? It is really just a sign for the audience that a fight has started so from a writing point of view I get the point but I keep thinking how hilarious it would be if one day one of those starting moves actually worked. Spend about four minutes building up with the usual pre-fight dialogue then suddenly *voop* three knives to the neck and this time it actually hits, immediate dead character that we spent the last 20 episodes or something getting to know and they only get a 5 second death scene of their killer retrieving their knives. No life suddenly flashing before the eyes, no angry avenging fight scene immediately after, just dead character then cut to commercial and when we get back it is just back to the usual storyline.

That would be hilarious.

what was your favorite story arc?

I personally liked konoha crush, where he fights gaara,

but Sasuke recovery mission was nice as well

Well in Part I it’s definetly the Kohona Crush or Tsunade Discovery

I also think Sakura is a bit of a hypocrite. She points the flaw of Naruto much quicker than Sasuke, when Sasuke tried to destroy the village and kill her. I think she's a hypocrite in that nature

A hypocrite and someone who has double standards are not inherently the same if that person is just as harsh as to the 'less favourites' as on themselves.

Did it occur to you that Sakura adjusts her criticism based on how sensitive she perceives the person to be? She believes Naruto to respond well to constructive criticism, he's her emotional rock in a way Sasuke can never be as Sasuke is emotionally fragile. This doesn't mean she doesn't love Sasuke, it means she loves them both in different ways.