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Tsunade brought out the best in her as did Sasuke leaving. I think when Sasuke left, she began to realise that her life didn't revolve around attracting boys anymore. It was this which allowed her to actually become the strong woman that Sasuke would later love but quite honestly I am sad that she didn't end up with Rock Lee.
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I agree with this 100%. Being under Tsunade wing really helped her a ton

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Why do you hate Ino? Ino is bitchy in some ways but very kind in others.
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Okay just finished episode 5. I am basically caught up now, right?
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Got a few more episodes in. The kid with the orange jacket is becoming less annoying than he was before, which is nice since I have a feeling he will be sticking around for a while.
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Is Boruto on Netflix?
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Nope.  Neither is Shippuden. Hulu has Shippuden dubbed to 135. A website has Boruto dubbed until 66 and Shippuden fully dubbed 
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aww fuck dub

that's so cringy.

i watched subbed.

dubbed isn't the same.
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I think you're talking about  viz
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But it has lots of ads
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Narutospot is where I watched it.
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I've listened to both dubbed and subbed. They are both equal, but I prefer dub just because of English, but I do watch sub. Eg: I watched Boruto subbed, wasn't bad subbed
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She is unkind in most ways and rarely shows kindness. The only person she cares for is Sai (if you haven't watched Shippuden you won't know him). Out of all thecharacter, she is the one who still dislikes Naruto despite all he's done in my opinion. She can't see Naruto's overall kindness and passion. I believe she is somewhat selfish. She is also worse than Sakura in combat. I'd much rather have Sakura than Ino, despite them being medical ninja. Her mind transfer jutsu is effective, but only for periods of time. IMO she is the weakest.
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I know who Sai is lol. More of a man that Sasuke would ever be and on par with Sakura as best team player in their generation.
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You keep judging people by their 1v1 ability to fight. You fail to factor in teamplay or character psrsonality.
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I was more talking to Bear who hasn't seen Shippuden.

I like Sai a lot. He's sort of a comic relief character just looking for some friends and to be accepted. He is also very wise. I like Sai
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I judge a character based off 3 things in Naruto

1. Ability to Fight

2. Importance / Vitality To Kohona

3. Personality and Development



A character like Sakura is weak in combat, 1v1 style, but is essential to the story and Konoha and developed well in the story, in par with Naruto's development, maybe even better. Making her a good character.  I've said she's an important/good character. But her combat skills are extremely lacking in 1v1 fighting
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Let's look at Ino. Her fighting ability is inferior to Sakura's BY FAR. Her importance in the story is questionable. Yes, she had her moments, but IMO, the show would probably run at the same, maybe a bit less effective if she wasn't in. And her personality is mixed. Mostly a bit bratty and annoying, but rarely showing the kind side.

She is a character I don't like
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What do you define as strength? What good is being strong enough to smash a mountain to pieces when you yourself can be killed after a couple of hits? Sakura is defensively god tier, her ability to heal from any and all damage is unparalleled even by Tsunade herself (Sakura's ability to heal surpassed Tsunade and Kabuto if you analyse the situations). On top of her healing capacity is her immense strength when she releases the stored chakra in her forehead (a technique Tsunade taught her). This actually is a result of Sakura's healing making her require less Chakra and brutality to survive conflicts, so she always has some to spare vs what a normal ninja does and therefore can store it in her forehead's capsule. In the stored format it multiplies in strength over time but can't be instantly released, it needs a little channeling that's the price you pay.

Sakura is on top of that, extremely important to the storyline throughout but I'll say more in my debate.
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1v1 combat skills are key when in fight. I agree that she is essential to the story, but let's look at a combative.

I believe she could beat Kiba, TenTen, Rock Lee, Ino, and Tenmari easily. We can debate Choji and Shino but I feel she would beat Choji and lose to Shino, but I could see her losing and winning both of these

Her possession of attack type ninjutsu's are weak. She can not do a Substitution Jutsu at all, a key part of the fighting aspect to deceive your own opponents. She has no deception type jutsus. Compared to a character liked Naruto, who had Shadow Clone and Sasuke's substitution jutsu. While she can hold her own strategy wise, she would be much more of a lethal fighter if she had the knowledge to one of those jutsu's. Her strategy would be much more effective. Someone with a weaker jutsu based like Shikamaru could beat her due to strength.

Sakura only has two releases, Water and Earth. As a combat, she is no greater than Choji with her releases. Hinata has 2 plus the Byakugan, Shikamaru has 2, but he's such a genius that he would win. Kankuro would defeat her with his puppets, because he is obviously become a better puppeteer and can maneuver around Sakura. She can not just charge aimlessly and expect to win against the strongest opponents. It takes a strong jutsu to take out Hidan and Kakuza, and there is no way she would beat any of those two by brute strength. Naruto nearly died doing so by just his normal form. Sakura's ninjutsu battle techniques are too aggressive to take out ant Akatsuki besides Sasori.

Her strength comes after the battle, in her ability to heal others with her chakra control. That is where she is effectively the most useful character. Combat is not her strong point. There is nothing wrong with that. She is still useful after the battle.

In battle though, her abilities are a somewhat smart battle technique, immense strength, and healing. You can't heal immediately after battle, and even so, Naruto also has a healing ability as well. 

Obviously she was with a team of Naruto, aka the strongest ninja and Sasuke, the owner of a Rinnegan and Sharigan, so of course she gets outshined, her use is in after battle, making Team 7 the most ideal for her circumstances. If she were placed on any other team, she would not be a character of interest at all. Fate had it's hand for her. If she were not a team with Sasuke and Naruto, she would not have the drive and motivation to try to master Medical Ninjutsu. SPOILER ALERT RIGHT NOW SO DON'T READ UNDERLINED, if the Third Hokage did not die, or Jiraya accepted the offer as the Sixth Hokage, the story would be much different SPOILER ENDS NOW

Sakura had a lot of fate play into her hands. I give her credit for using that fate to become a successful healing ninja, but there are a lot of factors that went into Sakura's usefulness as well 
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I also won't be ignorant and say that fate didn't help Naruto. Naruto had fate help him a lot, but less than it did with Sakura. For one, he had the Akatsuki after him, and he wanted to protect himself from that. He also had a goal to be the Hokage and work hard everyday to get that. I think Sasuke leaving and wanting to be better just gave him the push needed to be an excellent and powerful ninja. I believe he would still be one of the strongest, even if not paired with Sasuke
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He also had the right people to guide him. Jiraya, Kakashi, and Iruka were all excellent. He had fate come down to that. I think fate had to play with that, but he had the drive to be great and train in the first place
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who do you think was the best voice actor?
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Dub? I liked Yuri a lot (voice of Sasuke). They all were good 
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Fate? A Sasuke fan complains about plot armour and lucky fate? LOL! I can't.
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I mean fair point. I like Naruto much more than Sasuke, but I don’t like to say “OMG Naruto my favorite, just cuz he’s the main character.”
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So I saw you guys arguing about Sasuke vs Sakura, and I just got done with the episode where Sakura substitution magic'ed herself around and then bit the shit out of some nerd from the sound village. I gotta say, until I see Sasuke bite the shit out of someone while a bunch of knives are stuck in him Sakura has a clear edge up in the badass category.
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Sasuke's version of badass is more emo-like and offensively strong. Sakura's version of badass is more energetic and defensively strong.