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@fauxlaw
Looks like babies are property to them just like slaves were back in the day
no its not political
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@ILikePie5
lol he said more important than a car lol, when was the last time someone killed their car? hell they will pay a bunch of money just to get it fixed!! I'd bet for them, wrecking their car is far more traumatic than an abortion. it's more difficult to get a driver's licence than an abortion.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
lol he said more important than a car lol, when was the last time someone killed their car? hell they will pay a bunch of money just to get it fixed!! I'd bet for them, wrecking their car is far more traumatic than an abortion. it's more difficult to get a driver's licence than an abortion.
I just find it funny how he compares a baby to a piece of property. Maybe every time a woman gets an abortion they should total their car too
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@HistoryBuff
This is some weird conservative echo chamber.
You have the patience of a saint
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@dustryder
This is some weird conservative echo chamber.You have the patience of a saint
no he doesnt, he plays strawman all day and thinks he wins by making unneccesary off topic paragraphs
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@dustryder
This is some weird conservative echo chamber.You have the patience of a saint
yeah, most of the people who post in here range from moderately right wing to completely delusional cultists who would believe the sky is purple if trump told them to. I've watched them tell me that evidence is there, (though they could never tell me where) and he seemed to honestly believe he had provided evidence. Then other cultists jumped in to say he had beat me and provided evidence, even though that person also couldn't provide any evidence.
There is no convincing people like this because they don't actually listen to or believe anything that doesn't reinforce their pre-conceived beliefs.
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@HistoryBuff
Please show me exactly what rules the trump government has put in place to keep children safe.
Making them go back to school for one. CDC overwhelmingly states kids are suffering massive health risks due to quarantine along with child abuse.
Censored scientists on Youtube repeatedly confirm this along with actual Covid numbers for children the MSM is actively censoring as a political matter.
It most certainly is political once the censoring begins.
John Ioannidis, Professor of Medicine, Stanford University
Scott Atlas, Stanford University
Karol Sikora, Dean of Buckingham U medical school
Prof Detlef Krüger, virologist, Berlin
Prof Johan Giesecke, former EU chief epidemiologist
Michael Levitt, Nobel Prize laureate, biologist
Prof Christopher Kuhbandner
Prof Carl Heneghan, Oxford University
Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, microbiology, Mainz
Prof Mikko Paunio, epidemiologist, Finland
Prof Dan Yamin, infectious disease, Tel Aviv University
Prof Karin Moelling, virology, U of Zurich
Professor Klaus Püschel, forensic medicine
Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, physician, Germany
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@Greyparrot
Making them go back to school for one. CDC overwhelmingly states kids are suffering massive health risks due to quarantine along with child abuse.
everyone agrees on that. Why are you stating that as if someone is saying otherwise?
Censored scientists on Youtube repeatedly confirm this along with actual Covid numbers for children the MSM is actively censoring as a political matter.
a couple of things
1) you linked to a rant by someone random. There is no evidence provided that Youtube is actually doing what he claims or, if they are, what youtube's reasons for doing so are. For all I know the videos were complete loons telling people to drink bleach.
2) Youtube is a private corporation. We have no control over them. Hell, the government has no control over them. So why does their actions have anything to do with this topic?
It most certainly is political once the censoring begins.
again, you have provided no evidence that youtube has actually done anything. You give me a list of names and say youtube has censored them. But where is your evidence of that? And if they did, what was it they were censoring? If these are the kinds of people who push misinformation that will harm people (like saying that vaccines cause autism), I would argue that youtube has a responsibility to prevent that misinformation from being spread on their platform. Letting that kind of shit run rampant gets people killed.
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@HistoryBuff
misinformation from being spread on their platform. ..
Every media outlet censors, and at the same time is never held accountable for pushing fake news. It's all political. Nobody in the media gives a fuck about you.
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@Greyparrot
Every media outlet censors, and at the same time is never held accountable for pushing fake news. It's all political. Nobody in the media gives a fuck about you.
ok. what is your point? The topic is "it's not political". I said trump has made it political. I will acknowledge other people do too. But either way, my assessment is still correct.
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@HistoryBuff
I will acknowledge other people do too.
Shocking admission.
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@Greyparrot
I will acknowledge other people do too.Shocking admission.
then i'm not sure you really pay attention to things i say. I am very critical of the democratic establishment as well as the republican party. Most of the news coming out of outlets like CNN or MSNBC have a heavy corporatist spin (not as bad as fox, but still bad).
Corruption is rampant in american politics and media. I have never been shy about saying that. But other people being corrupt does not excuse trump being corrupt. He is the one with the power to save lives right now and he is choosing to let them die in a stupid attempt to win re-election and get more money flowing to the rich.
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@HistoryBuff
more money flowing to the rich.
Rich will be as rich or more if Trump loses. Why even care about the rich?
Rich do nothing for or against me, Except pay my salary for my comfy lifestyle. I don't wake up miserable every day because someone a half a mile away lives in a mansion.
I really don't give a fuck about what the government does for or against the rich since I am not rich. I do care what the government does to me though.
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@Greyparrot
Rich will be as rich or more if Trump loses. Why even care about the rich?
I care about the rich to the extent that they actively try to screw up the country and screw over everyone else. Trying to force open the economy and force people back to work when cases are spiking is insane. Rich people want to go back to making money. If a few 10's of thousands of people have to die for them to do that, they don't care.
Rich do nothing for or against me, Except pay my salary for my comfy lifestyle. I don't wake up miserable every day because someone a half a mile away lives in a mansion.
I don't care if they live in a mansion. I do care that they use their money and influence to twist the government and the economy to serve them while screwing over everyone else.
I really don't give a fuck about what the government does for or against the rich since I am not rich. I do care what the government does to me though.
those 2 issues are completely intertwined. The rich want to get as much out of the government as possible, while paying into it as little as possible. Doing this means the government lacks the resources to help Americans, but they will always lobby and get massive handouts from the government when they want them. When corona virus hit, poor and working class people got peanuts while the rich got trillions.
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@HistoryBuff
Rich people want to go back to making money...
Lol, if the rich want to make money, they keep the poor at home and unemployed. That way they have no competition. It's the poor people unemployed at home that need to work for money. The rich can just live off of the unemployment checks the poor spend just fine.
It's in the rich person's self-interest to make sure as many people are not working or climbing the ladder to eliminate market competition, and they can use the government to force people to stay at home. Easy peasy. Big corporations are absolutely loving all the mom and pop shops going bankrupt due to quarantine. Easy monopolies thanks to the crony government destroying the competition for the rich.
Rich people still don't affect me personally since the government pays for my salary. If they wanna put millions of people out of business and solidify their monopolies, it doesn't affect my personal well-being in the slightest. I just feel bad for the other people who don't have jobs with the government and are not a part of the elite crony club.
The stock market is looking great for the crony elites right now... All that competition under house arrest. It's a scrooge McDuck paradise.
Rich will be as rich or more if Trump loses.
I guess you will be voting for Kanye then, since the rich win no matter who is elected in 2020.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, if the rich want to make money, they keep the poor at home and unemployed. That way they have no competition. It's the poor people unemployed at home that need to work for money. The rich can just live off of the unemployment checks the poor spend just fine.
this whole statement is just delusional. How do you think those rich people make their money? It is by profiting off the labor of the poor and working class. If the poor and working class are no working, their money is at risk. They need to force poor people back to work so that they continue to be safe in their mansions while the poor risk their lives.
And the poor wouldn't need to go back to work if the government would take proper steps to keep them afloat while we get corona virus under control. But sadly, both the democrats and republicans don't want to do that. They just want to funnel tax dollars to the rich.
It's in the rich person's self-interest to make sure as many people are not working or climbing the ladder to eliminate market competition, and they can use the government to force people to stay at home. Easy peasy.
this makes literally no sense. The companies need their expendable workers back at work to make their money.
The stock market is looking great for the crony elites right now... All that competition under house arrest. It's a scrooge McDuck paradise.
we are on the edge of a financial crisis that will make the great depression look like a picnic. The stock market is still looking good because we haven't tipped over the edge yet. When the $600 top ups run out and the moratorium on evictions run out, that's when we hit panic mode. millions are going to get evicted all at the same time. consumer spending will plummet.
I guess you will be voting for Kanye then, since the rich win no matter who is elected in 2020.
no, i want someone who isn't a complete lunatic to win. Did you see kanye's rally? He clearly needs psychological help.
It is by profiting off the labor of the poor and working class.
Lol no, it isn't. You're absolutely delusional if you think the elite rich are wealthy because of labor exploitation. That might be how some people get to the middle class, but the elite rich are monopolists and rent collectors first and foremost with investments as far as you can imagine.
The main goal of the ultra-rich is to first destroy the competition by destroying the middle class (as they did in California) and their secondary goal is to convince poor people that they can never make it to the middle class no matter what life choices they make.
their money is at risk.
The stock market says otherwise. In fact, you can tell exactly who is making assloads of money over the lockdowns by looking at the discrepancies in public policy.
Small businesses can't have x amount of people in the stores, but you can have unlimited people in casinos.
Amazon is doing just fine with the elimination of competition.
Rich people don't give a fuck about you or Corona. It's just business as usual. Using the government to eliminate competition.
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@Greyparrot
Lol no, it isn't. You're absolutely delusional if you think the elite rich are wealthy because of labor exploitation. That might be how some people get to the middle class, but the elite rich are monopolists and rent collectors first and foremost with investments as far as you can imagine.
yeah, and those companies they invest in, how do they make their money? From selling/making things. If they can't force poor people to go back to work, then those companies will continue to lose money. And they can't have that.
The main goal of the ultra-rich is to first destroy the competition by destroying the middle class (as they did in California) and their secondary goal is to convince poor people that they can never make it to the middle class no matter what life choices they make.
and they have been successful in doing that for quite awhile. But how does their companies losing money help them do that?
The stock market says otherwise. In fact, you can tell exactly who is making assloads of money over the lockdowns by looking at the discrepancies in public policy.
the stock market is not an accurate measure of how the economy is going. It is a measure of what rich assholes and betting on. The 2 things are very different.
Amazon is doing just fine with the elimination of competition
how does this, in any way, undermine my point? Isolated companies are still making lots of money. I have never denied that. But most companies are not. Most are losing money and they want their wage slaves back at work.
Rich people don't give a fuck about you or Corona. It's just business as usual. Using the government to eliminate competition.
this is absolutely delusional. I totally agree that the rich don't care about me or anyone but themselves. But they absolutely care about the effect corona is having on their businesses.
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@HistoryBuff
But they absolutely care about the effect corona is having on their businesses.
The middle class might worry, but the rich elites have already transferred their capital. They don't give a fuck about what you think Corona can do for them.
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@Greyparrot
The middle class might worry, but the rich elites have already transferred their capital. They don't give a fuck about what you think Corona can do for them.
i'm not going to bother reading a dozen links when you can't be bothered actually making an argument.
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@HistoryBuff
Not my fault you don't know the difference between the middle class and the rich elites with liquid capital.
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@Greyparrot
Not my fault you don't know the difference between the middle class and the rich elites with liquid capital.
It is your fault that you don't understand that their money is tied to the economy as a whole. And that economy relies on forcing the working class back to work.
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@HistoryBuff
Thanks for the zero-sum lecture. Now, I have some middle class people to villanize on behalf of the rich elites.
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@Greyparrot
Thanks for the zero-sum lecture. Now, I have some middle class people to villanize on behalf of the rich elites.
well you continue to support republicans as they destroy the middle class.... so yeah I believe that.
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@HistoryBuff
well you continue to support republicans as they destroy the middle class.... so yeah I believe that.
Both parties support the elites. I support the elites. If you can't beat em, join em.
as they destroy the middle class...
Yeah, all those evil establishment Republicans in California...evil I say..eeeevil..
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@Greyparrot
Both parties support the elites. I support the elites. If you can't beat em, join em.
so you acknowledge that you support the destruction of the middle class and therefore the destruction of the american dream and way of life?
I mean I didn't think you would be quite so forthcoming with admitting that you hate American values.
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@HistoryBuff
austrailia is por lockdown and is now seeing a spike
so tell me, was it really because of the easing of lockdown??
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@Dr.Franklin
austrailia is por lockdown and is now seeing a spikeso tell me, was it really because of the easing of lockdown??
yes. no one has ever claimed that lockdowns would wipe out the virus. The point is to keep it manageable while the tools to control it are put in place. (rapid testing, contact tracing, building up medical supplies etc).
America kind of did a lock down. Although in lots of places it was so weak it didn't really do anything. Then the states tried to reopen while cases were still increasing. And when you re-open when cases are still rampant, you get a surge. Which is exactly what happened in places like Florida, Texas and Arizona where they didn't really take the pandemic seriously.
But then they didn't do the rest of it. Testing is an absolute mess. It can take a week to get results which makes the results worthless because you have already spread it. There are still critical shortages of supplies. There is basically no contract tracing.
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@HistoryBuff
yes but it didnt work