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@ILikePie5
Did you see the data about the viral loads of know infected people normally breathing?
no its not political
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@HistoryBuff
Not to mention that democrats are slaughtering themselves right now; they cannot wait for November. Curious how an affinity for abortion spreads like a viral infection to perform so many post-birth abortions by gun in democrat-run cities and states. Want to explain that rationale? While Black Lives Matter?
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@fauxlaw
Preaching to the choir again - more evidence history is not your friend.Show me where I said I don't wear a mask. But you're getting freaking paranoid. Go out and buy your body suit.
again, that is really sad. I never said you don't wear a mask. what I said was:
"this is just getting sad. You are presented with extremely basic and obvious safety precautions (ie cover your mouth and stay away from other people) and you still paint it as if it is this extreme over reaction. "
And you are painting it as if it is an over reaction.
Not to mention that democrats are slaughtering themselves right now; they cannot wait for November. Curious how an affinity for abortion spreads like a viral infection to perform so many post-birth abortions by gun in democrat-run cities and states. Want to explain that rationale? While Black Lives Matter?
jesus that was some verbal diarrhea. Did that string of words actually make sense when you said them in your head?
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@ILikePie5
How do masks prevent asymptomatic spread? Genuine question
the virus is carried in human saliva. If someone is asymptomatic it is still in their saliva. So if an asymptomatic person coughs, sneezes or even speaks, they will expel that saliva. Anyone who comes into contact with it, either directly or by touching a surface it is on (a door handle for example) can catch corona virus.
The purpose of the mask is to keep saliva from being expelled from people's mouths and infecting people around them. Since we know that people can be sick and not even know they are sick, it is important that as many people as possible wear masks to reduce the spread of the virus.
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@HistoryBuff
the virus is carried in human saliva. If someone is asymptomatic it is still in their saliva. So if an asymptomatic person coughs, sneezes or even speaks, they will expel that saliva.
Coughing and sneezing are symptoms. And unless you talk hard and spit comes out talking doesn’t spread the virus lol.
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@ILikePie5
Coughing and sneezing are symptoms.
people cough and sneeze all the time, even when they aren't sick. If it is mild, lots of people would not think they are sick and be spreading the virus.
And unless you talk hard and spit comes out talking doesn’t spread the virus lol.
most people have some amount of spit come out of their mouth when they talk. That is totally normal. The air leaving your mouth as you speak will propel saliva out.
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@HistoryBuff
people cough and sneeze all the time, even when they aren't sick. If it is mild, lots of people would not think they are sick and be spreading the virus.
If someone is sneezing or coughing a mask isn’t going to prevent the virus from escaping.
most people have some amount of spit come out of their mouth when they talk. That is totally normal. The air leaving your mouth as you speak will propel saliva out.
That’s disgusting. You’re telling me people spit in your face when they’re talking to you face to face?
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@HistoryBuff
your claim of verbal diarrhea:
1. abortion is a choice primarily of democrats, of whom 91% support it. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
2. of 27 of the largest U.S. cities having protest violence chiefly over the death of George Floyd, 24 [89%] are Democrart-lead cities.https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/47752/is-there-currently-riots-looting-only-in-democrat-cities-in-the-usa
Like I said, the slaughter is happening now, and it is in the face of Black Lives Matter.
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@ILikePie5
Think about ewhat happens when people in cloth masks sneeze and cough. It goes right onto their cheeks, and they almost ALWAYS touch their face with their hands RIGHT AFTER.
There's a reason why theres no conclusive science that cloth masks work at all to stop transmissions.
People spread it slower during normal flu when they coughed on their sleeves...at least they didn't transmit the infested saliva all over their hands then.
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@ILikePie5
If someone is sneezing or coughing a mask isn’t going to prevent the virus from escaping.
why? it is covering their mouth
That’s disgusting. You’re telling me people spit in your face when they’re talking to you face to face?
yes. if you are standing close to someone who is talking, they have definitely had their spit land on you.
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@fauxlaw
1. abortion is a choice primarily of democrats, of whom 91% support it. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Ok, but whether or not a fetus is terminated has absolutely nothing to do with protecting actual people. It is completely unrelated to this topic.
2. of 27 of the largest U.S. cities having protest violence chiefly over the death of George Floyd, 24 [89%] are Democrart-lead cities.https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/47752/is-there-currently-riots-looting-only-in-democrat-cities-in-the-usa
because urban areas tend to vote democrat, rural areas tend to vote republican. So your comment is basically just saying lots of protests happen in cities. Which everyone already knows. and that is also completely unrelated to covid or this topic.
So again, that was alot of verbal diarrhea that has nothing to do with the topic.
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@HistoryBuff
why? it is covering their mouth
I don’t know what you’re trying to arguing? Are you justifying that people with these symptoms should be out on the streets with masks on because it covers their mouth?
yes. if you are standing close to someone who is talking, they have definitely had their spit land on you.
Then don’t stand in front of them when they’re talking lmao. Better yet, no one should talk. It just spreads the virus even more
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@fauxlaw
1. abortion is a choice primarily of democrats, of whom 91% support it. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
You mean infanticide?
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@ILikePie5
Then don’t stand in front of them when they’re talking lmao. Better yet, no one should talk. It just spreads the virus even more.
That's a common misconception. The viral loads of infected people talking or breathing are far, far lower, almost undetectable compared to a cough or sneeze.
Go look it up.
When masked people cough or sneeze, unless they have an airtight fit, massive jets of air coat the cheeks and face areas with the virus which everyone immediately then spreads around with their hands, gloves or no gloves. Scientists are just way too afraid to admit they can't really do much to stop or slow a virus from running it's natural course through herd immunity.
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@ILikePie5
I don’t know what you’re trying to arguing? Are you justifying that people with these symptoms should be out on the streets with masks on because it covers their mouth?
what do you mean? Healthy people cough or sneeze. It is not inherently a sign of illness. So lots of people will cough or sneeze in public. Now if they are coughing fairly regularly that is obviously a problem.
Then don’t stand in front of them when they’re talking lmao.
that is pretty much exactly what the sociel distancing is for. IE stay 6 feet apart. But that doesn't, on it's own, prevent transfer. If you expel saliva and it lands on a door knob, faucet, etc. Someone else will come a long and touch it. And that person could easily catch covid.
Better yet, no one should talk. It just spreads the virus even more
Since that is obviously not going to work, the much better solution is just to wear a mask so that people can speak normally and reduce the risk of spreading the virus.
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@Greyparrot
That's a common misconception. The viral loads of infected people talking or breathing are far, far lower, almost undetectable compared to a cough or sneeze.Go look it up.
Since i don't think this research has been done yet, i seriously doubt you have looked it up. But please, provide evidence of this.
When masked people cough or sneeze, unless they have an airtight fit, massive jets of air coat the cheeks and face areas with the virus which everyone immediately then spreads around with their hands, gloves or no gloves.
no one has ever said masks are a perfect solution. You seem to be arguing since masks aren't 100% effective, we should do absolutely nothing. That is an extremely defeatist attitude.
Scientists are just way too afraid to admit they can't really do much to stop or slow a virus from running it's natural course through herd immunity.
That is obviously not true. Lots of countries have gotten the spread of covid slowed or under control. If you take the proper safety precautions, you can get it under control. Our problem is stupid people who say things like "it's not possible to stop it" or "it's not going to kill me" and so they break the rules and spread the virus further. Other idiots then use the continued spread of the virus to try to argue the rules don't work, when it is the people not following them that are the problem.
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@HistoryBuff
Since i don't think this research has been done yet.
I love your assumptions of your own ignorance. Fascinating.
It's one thing to state "I haven't seen the research yet" and then quite another thing to form an opinion based on the belief that "because I have not seen the research, it most certainly cannot exist."
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@Greyparrot
I love your assumptions of your own ignorance. Fascinating.It's one thing to state "I haven't seen the research yet" and then quite another thing to form an opinion based on the belief that "because I have not seen the research, it most certainly cannot exist."
I've explained this to you over and over and you seem to just ignore it. Research takes years. They do these studies over and over to ensure they have reliable results. So it isn't possible for this research to be complete. You keep assuming that you have sufficient evidence to decide it is safe when that evidence simply cannot exist yet.
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@HistoryBuff
You keep assuming that you have sufficient evidence to decide it is safe when that evidence simply cannot exist yet.
Well then you can easily take the contrapositive of your own claim. You are making risk assessments when you have no clue how fatal Covid is. Why would you listen to politicians who are lying to your face when they claim the science is on "their side?"
The fact of the matter is that there are DOZENS of preliminary studies that give us a very good idea about how Covid works, and we don't have to operate like a government agency and wait 10 years before someone in authority can safely tell you what to do with zero liability. Well you can I guess. Most people are much less robotic.
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@Greyparrot
Well then you can easily take the contrapositive of your own claim. You are making risk assessments when you have no clue how fatal Covid is.
of course we know how fatal it is. We have reports from all over the world. Not to mention about 140,000 dead americans. What we don't have is the kind of detail you are pretending you know. Things like how long can it survive on a surface, and under what conditions. Can it remain airborne and how do conditions affect that. etc.
Why would you liten to politicians who are lying to your face when they claim the science is on "their side?"
I don't. I listen to doctors and medical experts. Only a fool would listen to a politician about a medical issue. They are not the experts.
The fact of the matter is that there are DOZENS of preliminary studies that give us a very good idea about how Covid works, and we don't have to operate like a government agency and wait 10 years before someone in authority can safely tell you what to do with zero liability. Well you can I guess. Most people are much less robotic.
We do have lots of preliminary studies. They show covid spreads very easily and it is about 10X deadlier than the flu. They also show that social distancing and masks help to significantly cut down the spread of the virus.
That is exactly why government should be mandating those things be done. Because studies show they work.
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@HistoryBuff
it is about 10X deadlier than the flu.
Not to children and healthy 20-40 year olds. Numbers clearly back that up.
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@Greyparrot
Not to children and healthy 20-40 year olds. Numbers clearly back that up.
The 10x deadlier is covering the entire population. You appear to be correct that it is not particularly deadly to children. However it is still quite dangerous to 20-40 year olds. Alot of people in that category still get hospitalized and can have permanent injuries from it even if it doesn't kill them. Pretending like covid isn't dangerous to people under 40 is incredibly irresponsible and is getting people killed.
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@HistoryBuff
The 10x deadlier is covering the entire population. You appear to be correct that it is not particularly deadly to children. However it is still quite dangerous to 20-40 year olds. Alot of people in that category still get hospitalized and can have permanent injuries from it even if it doesn't kill them. Pretending like covid isn't dangerous to people under 40 is incredibly irresponsible and is getting people killed.
What is much more dangerous is pretending Covid is as dangerous to healthy young people as it is to Older at-risk people. It's not, and the numbers back it up. Yes it's much more dangerous for at-risk people. No, it's not more dangerous to children and healthy 20-40 year olds.
It leads to the continuation of policies that hurt young people as the CDC has constantly pointed out. The CDC knows what is dangerous, and irresponsible. The current policies of quarantining healthy children are.
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@Greyparrot
What is much more dangerous is pretending Covid is as dangerous to healthy young people as it is to Older at-risk people. It's not, and the numbers back it up. Yes it's much more dangerous for at-risk people. No, it's not more dangerous to children and healthy 20-40 year olds.
well partially. It is more dangerous for people over 40 and with underlying health conditions. that much is true. It is also dangerous for people 20-40. Just less dangerous than for the other groups.
It leads to the continuation of policies that hurt young people as the CDC has constantly pointed out. The CDC knows what is dangerous, and irresponsible. The current policies of quarantining healthy children are.
No one wants to quarantine people they don't have to. As far as I know, no one is advocating for that. Unless of course you consider social distancing quarantine for some reason.
However it is critically important that we take the necessary precautions to keep people safe. That means getting everyone to wear masks and social distance.
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@ILikePie5
To be fair to Democrats, historically, they've only favored pre-birth abortion, which would not, therefore, fit the description of infanticide. However, their new stripe does allow for post-birth, which does meet the definition of infanticide.
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@fauxlaw
To be fair to Democrats, historically, they've only favored pre-birth abortion, which would not, therefore, fit the description of infanticide. However, their new stripe does allow for post-birth, which does meet the definition of infanticide.
If a fetus has no rights then feticide should be legal to everyone with no repercussions.
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@ILikePie5
If a fetus has no rights then feticide should be legal to everyone with no repercussions.
a fetus belongs to the woman carrying it. If you kill it you should be liable for that. If she wishes to terminate it, that is her decision.
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@HistoryBuff
a fetus belongs to the woman carrying it. If you kill it you should be liable for that. If she wishes to terminate it, that is her decision.
If it has no rights and isn’t living why should it be protected by laws?
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@ILikePie5
If it has no rights and isn’t living why should it be protected by laws?
Why shouldn't it? We protect your car. IE if someone steals it or destroys it that is a crime and is punishable. A fetus is more important to someone that a car. So why would we not have legal protections for it?
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@HistoryBuff
Why shouldn't it? We protect your car. IE if someone steals it or destroys it that is a crime and is punishable. A fetus is more important to someone that a car. So why would we not have legal protections for it?
So a fetus is property to you?