Probably the only nation in the world where monuments erected to heal the nation after a Civil War are the cause of division
George Washington was a slave owner. So was Tom Jefferson. Pity to eradicate their memory for that when they were so much more than that. Would you want to be remembered for just one thing? I didn't think so. We all have flaws. Pointing them out to one another accomplishes nothing.
in the sense that he should have 2 arms, 2 legs and a head? Absolutely. In the sense that you feel the need to make him Caucasian when he very clearly wasn't because middle eastern people are scary foreigners, no it's not particularly logical.
true, but he wasn't any of those other races. So depicting him that way is a lie.
but it is fundamentally counter to the argument that jesus was making. He wanted everyone to be treated the same. all equal. Needing to make jesus your race because you don't like him as he actually was proves you weren't actually listening to his message. Of course religious people very rarely actually listen to Jesus' message.
Thus candy-striped history buffed by pol-corr. Not a valid filter. History was what it was. Who made you the arbiter of what constitutes a good history, or a bad one. It was. It behooves us to make it better, but once you start destruction of it, where do you stop?
That guy is white. They were not restricted by materials. They didn't just make it with marble. They intentionally depict a white jesus. That is the point.
And are you going to condemn people saying Jesus was black or do you only attack whitey for an irrelevant difference in depiction?
Oh really? Show me the Polaroid.
And you’d realize that Jesus’ message, not his depiction is what actually matters. Don’t think Jesus would care that pictures aren’t exactly replicas of His appearance.
If you need a break, I understand. I can wait a little to respond if you want.
How was I doing that? I said middle easterners are classified as white by the UN and many middle easterners look white. Jesus is easily in this group.
civil war statues were not erected to heal the nation. Most of the statues were not put up in the years following the civil war. They really started to be built during the Jim Crowe era of segregation.The war ended in 1865. Most statues were built between 1890 and 1950, with the biggest spike being between 1900 and 1920. They were built as monuments to racism. The confederates they depict fought to keep the blacks enslaved. And the during the Jim Crowe era, white people will still trying to keep the blacks down.Why should america keep monuments to long dead traitors who fought so that others would never know freedom?
This is a slippery slope dude. Y’all were saying it will only be Confederates. Now we see statues of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt get defaced and taken down.
If the Confederate flag is offensive to you but burning the American flag isn’t the maybe you need to reconsider your stance.
I am talking about people who pull down monuments. You know, the root subject of this forum post? Stay on point, yeah?
There are no monuments to Hitler in this country, either. Why bring him up?
The slippery slope arguement is such a sad argument. I'm sure nazi's would make the same arguement. "you can't ban statues to hitler because tomorrow it will be someone else". It is pathetic. The confederates were traitors to their nation who fought to keep people in chains. They do not deserve monuments.
The confederate flag is a symbol of racism and oppression. Flying it is an insult and is really racist. Some people also see the american flag as a symbol of racism and oppression. I have no problem with people burning it, or any other flag.
Hitler has nothing to do what this. Washington was a slave owner.
Washington was a slave owner. Jefferson was a slave owner. They were all racist if considered by modern times.
You’re literally advocating for the banning of the Confederate flag because it’s racist. People are burning the American flag because it represents racism. Should the American flag be banned too?
He is an example of an important historical figure that does not deserve a statue and should not be forgotten. Exactly like the confederates.
The difference is that Washington and Jefferson weren't traitors to their people who fought a war against their own people just so that they could keep millions of people in slavery.
no, because the US flag is the flag of a country. The Confederate flag represents a group of traitors who were fighting for slavery over a hundred years ago. They only existed for a couple of years. I agree that people should have the right to protest (including burning flags).
If people want to buy confederate flags and put them in their own homes, they can go for it for all I care. But when it comes to public places, they don't need to display their racism there.
Hitler is a terrible analogy for a multitude of reasons
So why are their statues being taken down? Oh wait slippery slope right?
Confederates were pardoned by Presidents Lincoln and Johnson to heal the nation. Sure they were traitors, but they no longer are. They are simply Americans like you and I are. They fought for their livelihood like you and I would’ve without hindsight bias.
No. Anyone should be able to take a Confederate flag to a public place. It’s called the first amendment.
not really. They are both assholes who killed for money and power. Neither deserve monuments. Seems pretty apt to me.
depends on reasons and the statue I suppose. One statue of Lincoln, it was because the statue had a black man kneeling at his feet in subservience. The classic "white saviour" trope. There's that teddy roesevelt statue with him on a horse leading 2 half naked black slaves. That one is also super racist.It isn't just about who the statue is of, the context matters.
Being pardoned for a crime doesn't mean you never committed it. They are traitors. They betrayed their country to protect their wealth and power. There is nothing about that that deserves a monument.
I can’t help you if you don’t recognize the nuances of this Hitler analogy.
Context does matter. The black man was a freed slave kneeling and it was meant to celebrate liberation. Slavery was outlawed by white people lmao. There’s no “white savior.” It’s just “savior.”
As for Roosevelt, he was one of the most Progressive Presidents. Every President in those times, if they were alive would be considered racists. Literally everyone was racist back then. Roosevelt wasn’t a slave owner. It has nothing to do with slavery because it was banned lol
I never said that they never committed treason. Your hatred would warrant every single Confederate be hanged. It was a way of life. You and I would’ve fought for our way of life if we were in their position.
The idea that white people needed to take care of black people was one of the underlying principles of slavery.
Looks like I hit a nerve🤡🤡
how do you figure? I explained quite rationally why they don't deserve statues. I'm not upset at all.
So the white man’s burden doesn’t exist right?
The concept certainly does. White people used it to explain why they needed to "help" natives or black people. They then used that excuse to enslave, murder and commit genocide.Statues showing natives and black people kneeling at white men's feet fit into this concept.
Yup so white people need to give reparations, give welfare, give them free sports for college to enrich them right?
