13 Reasons Why Mafia DP1

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He hasn't really played mafia before so he's being really confusing right now.
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6. Oromagi             
TOWN
2. PressF4Respect               MILLER          Alex Standall
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
8. Crocodile
7. BearMan
4. RationalMadman
10. WaterPhoenix
AWOL
9. Warren
11. LittleCookie
5. SupaDudz
SCUM

UVC
Supadudz (1/7)- oro




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aint karma a bitch huh?
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Now that I think about it, Speed is more likely to be scum. 

His insistence that I substantiate my claim this early on sounds like scum trying to get an early wagon on.

Besides that, all he posted was fluff.
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-bugs bunny
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What do you think of Speedrace and User right now?
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If he's town, then he definitely isn't helping our cause.

But then again, he did the same thing the last time and turned out to be town.
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User2006 seems like he's in kahoots with Speedrace tho. Supadudz is acting strange as he usually is on the site for a long time
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@PressF4Respect
as we have joked, Speed has won multiple recent games as scum and his recent gameplay had definitely been much quieter, holding his cards close. 

User is new and noobs are notoriously difficult to evaluate.  I don't mind tossing a noob into the fire but I'm not likely to read with confidence.

By far, the most incongruous game-play at this early stage is Supa, who is generally quite ebullient and always seems like scum though he seldom is.

I think we should hammer that nail until its flush or bent
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Speedrace (1/7) - User
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@RationalMadman
I read it as a suboptimal townplay as he's paranoid about being investigated
Hooray for RatMan finally playing some mafia!

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User2006 seems like he's in kahoots with Speedrace tho.
You're saying Speed is Scum, right?
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Speedrace (1/7) - User

Supadudz (1/7)- oro
I know I usually drop Supa early but I'm still on him now and prob will be til he joins
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o wait u probably counted that unvote a minute ago

VTL Supadudz
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@oromagi
What do you think of Bearman?
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@Crocodile
Ehhhhh, I'm a bit cautious about just giving him the newbie pass, but I guess this can pass. He'll just be lean scum on my read list then.
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Thanks.
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@oromagi
as we have joked, Speed has won multiple recent games as scum and his recent gameplay had definitely been much quieter, holding his cards close. 
I mean, previous games (probably) don't affect this one, but his playstyle is a bit sus. He went in early and hard (and seemed to single me out) and then just disappeared, despite being online 3 hours ago, which would be around 3-4 PM. His last remark in this thread was made at 1:15 PM, meaning he would have had the opportunity to see the updates on this thread (and read others). His last (and so far only) substantive post was made at 9:23 AM, while all the later ones were just variations of "lol".

Ok I'm really starting to scumread Speedrace.

User is new and noobs are notoriously difficult to evaluate.  I don't mind tossing a noob into the fire but I'm not likely to read with confidence.
Yeah, I guess. He generally did the same behaviour as the last game and he turned out town. But it's possible that he's using his scumminess as a cloak, so we have to keep a close eye on him.

By far, the most incongruous game-play at this early stage is Supa, who is generally quite ebullient and always seems like scum though he seldom is.

I think we should hammer that nail until its flush or bent
I mean, in general Supa hasn't been too active in the past 2 days, so I don't really think it's an indication of anything.

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bolded reasoning = extremely sure

Town

Yes, I read myself and my interactions with others will become things I bring up later to justify others' reads on me.
RationalMadman (I know he is, he has also been active enough)

PressF4Respect (outing miller and character claiming instantly, also not grabbing the offered character all adds up to a complete 

User_2006 (severely keen to engage others, almost intentionally 'asking' to be investigated, reaction-tested and such. This level of engagement is rarely ever seen from a brand new scum player)

WaterPhoenix (engages me instantly, aggressive and ready to draw attention to himself, doesn't overreact to others saying he's sus, just keeps non-fluff-posting and contributing.

Neutral 

Crocodile (I cannot tell if he's forcing his interactions or just genuinely didn't realise he copied Press's reads overall and also he's been engaging in a way that seems almost 'playful' but this is his nature so again I can't read it).

Oromagi (if he is scum, I am certain Bearman is his partner but if he's town, the neutrality with Bearman and way neither seems to read or engage the other can be entirely organic. The reason I don't think Bearman is town if Oromagi is scum is to do with that I believe Oromagi would have engaged Bearman by now in some shape or form especially after he outed those reads if Oromagi weren't partnered to him).

Everyone else I scumread or nullread due to their lack of constructive contribution or sensible justification for their reads.


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PressF4Respect (outing miller and character claiming instantly, also not grabbing the offered character all adds up to a complete 
'complete town profile' I didn't finish this.
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@Crocodile
User2006 seems like he's in kahoots with Speedrace tho
I am sorry, WHAT

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@Crocodile
Plz answer #102 ASAP. Thanks!
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Reads: 

1. Speedrace- lean town: decently active and provided helpful char and role info
2. PressF4Respect- null/ slight lean scum: as is the case with millers, but he's been pretty active and hasn't made any scum slips or anything
3. User_2006- lean scum: extremely questionable playing, but probably just cause he's new
4. RationalMadman- null: i disagree on his stance for user, but he's been really active and made some useful insights
5. SupaDudz- null: inactive
6. Oromagi- lean town: the thing where he vtl'd speed is his usual spiel as town so don't sus him for that. Other than that, his reply to user seemed really towny (is that a word?) and his read lists are as helpful as ever.
7. BearMan- lean scum: i'd like to think i've been playing enough like town to deserve a lean town read, but even so, it does seem a bit sus, considering how he hasn't really contributed anything to the game and has been largely inactive.
8. Crocodile- lean town: has been making a bunch of really helpful plays and i agree with his cautious opinion about user
9. Warren- null: wait warren was in this game? eh, inactive
10. WaterPhoenix- town: if you're gonna read yourself, might as well make it town
11. LittleCookie- null: same thing as warren except replace "warren" with "LittleCookie"
12. SimplyBeOurselves- null: inactive but at least has an excuse 

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1. Speedrace- lean town: decently active and provided helpful char and role info
What character and role info has Speed provided?

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@PressF4Respect
When you claimed miller he said you were probably Monty, could be some elaborate scheme where they anticipate you grabbing the char then other scum counter claims or something, but probably not.
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@WaterPhoenix
When you claimed miller he said you were probably Monty, could be some elaborate scheme where they anticipate you grabbing the char then other scum counter claims or something, but probably not.
But how does he know my character from my role claim? How does he know which links between my character and my role are present? How does he know what aspects Pie focused on when adapting the roles to the characters? 

Also, how come you're trying to persuade me that it's not a trap, even though you describe the trap that they're not going to try in detail?


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@WaterPhoenix
On second thought, don't answer the questions yourself. I wanna hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
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@WaterPhoenix
Correction: Don't answer the first 3 questions yourself. I still wanna hear your answer to the last one.
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@Speedrace
How do you know my character from my role claim? How do you know which links between my character and my role are present? How do you know what aspects Pie focused on when adapting the roles to the characters? 


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Ok I just realized something HUGE

Lean Scum
  • User- Well his relationship with Speed seems kinda funky
  • Speedrace- Well his relationship with User seems kinda funky.
Here Crocodile says that User's funky relationship with Speed makes him lean scum.

Classic noob town move. I don't know if you're a power role, but you're sure as hell not mafia.
Here Crocodile says that User "sure as hell" isn't scum (which is made only 5 posts after RM says User is the most town).

User2006 seems like he's in kahoots with Speedrace tho.
Here Crocodile says that User is in kahoots with Speedrace, which based on #57, means that Crocodile sees User as lean scum again.

Crocodile switches his position from User is lean scum, to User is not scum (possibly because RM said the same thing).
And then he switches back to his original position only 16 posts later.

I feel that this is a noob scumslip (that pretty much flew under everyone's radar).

So I tentatively:
VTL Crocodile
for flip-flopping