13 Reasons Why Mafia DP1

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If you are town, then don't vtl yourself.  Instead, help to pressure warren and then let's come to some agreement about the most productive lynch tonight.

If you are scum, you're fine as is.
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It's been fun catching up with this game although despite being very experienced with Mafia--I got Mason and Miller mixed up because they both begin with M and it's been years since I played--I'm also a big verbal mess as a human-being and I think that only gets exaggerated during games of Mafia :|

I have to go out and do some shopping now. Might be back later today or might not as I've done plenty of posting today and I'm a bit drained. At the very least I'll see you tomorrow (if there is a tomorrow? I know day phases are 72 hours but I can't remember how long it's been).

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Problem is, i'm not vtling myself. I'm currently not voting.
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I am not lying about defending you, my actions speak louder than my words. You are trolling and asking people to lynch you after trying to start a bandwagon on me. You are completely and utterly ruining all the reputation and leadership you had as uncc'd Ani, people are even doubting that you're confirmed town.

I did nothing but stand by you and still will as I don't care how irrational or unlikable the confirmed person is, they are confirmed town and it's my duty to stick by them.
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I am voting you if you didn't know.

that's right
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I am not lying about defending you, my actions speak louder than my words. You are trolling and asking people to lynch you after trying to start a bandwagon on me. You are completely and utterly ruining all the reputation and leadership you had as uncc'd Ani, people are even doubting that you're confirmed town.

I did nothing but stand by you and still will as I don't care how irrational or unlikable the confirmed person is, they are confirmed town and it's my duty to stick by them.
I am confirmed town, and you are confirmed mafia.
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6. Oromagi             
TOWN
2. PressF4Respect                   MILLER          Alex Standall
8. Crocodile                                                          Ani Achola                     
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
7. BearMan
10. WaterPhoenix
5. SupaDudz
11. LittleCookie
4. RationalMadman
AWOL
9. Warren
SCUM

UVC

Speedrace (3/7) - User, Bear

Croc  (1/7) - Croc, Supa

Warren42 (1/7) - Oromagi

Water (1/7) - Press

Oromagi (1/7)- RM

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Dude you are just flat out trolling at this point. There are so many people here to get reads on and you are doing absolutely nothing but going 'hurr durr RM is mafia because he's not acting like himself and he's defending me oh yaaa he wants me lynched.' You are neither funny nor clever tbph, I am fucking angry at this point I am taking a break from this website for a few hours. 

scum is in Oromagi, Supadudz, LittleCookie, (maybe User, he's 0% towntold since I townread him and honestly it's weird how he went inactive after he had me defending him), Bearman and Warren (maybe).

I townread everyone else, that's 3/5 scum in that 5 based on my reads on everyone so far.
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Problem is, i'm not vtling myself. I'm currently not voting.
hard to keep up

6. Oromagi             
TOWN
2. PressF4Respect                   MILLER          Alex Standall
8. Crocodile                                                          Ani Achola                     
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
7. BearMan
10. WaterPhoenix
5. SupaDudz
11. LittleCookie
4. RationalMadman
AWOL
9. Warren
SCUM

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Speedrace (3/7) - User, Bear

Croc  (1/7) -  Supa

Warren42 (1/7) - Oromagi

Water (1/7) - Press

Oromagi (1/7)- RM


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Dude you are just flat out trolling at this point. There are so many people here to get reads on and you are doing absolutely nothing but going 'hurr durr RM is mafia because he's not acting like himself and he's defending me oh yaaa he wants me lynched.' You are neither funny nor clever tbph, I am fucking angry at this point I am taking a break from this website for a few hours. 

scum is in Oromagi, Supadudz, LittleCookie, (maybe User, he's 0% towntold since I townread him and honestly it's weird how he went inactive after he had me defending him), Bearman and Warren (maybe).

I townread everyone else, that's 3/5 scum in that 5 based on my reads on everyone so far.
Ok.
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it sure is
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@Gamemod .... is self-voting allowed?
Yes it is.
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Tbh all I see right now is smoke and mirrors in a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the situation for town.

None of what Croc did makes any sense as Ani. In fact, it would be straight up ruinous for his wincon.

VTL Croc
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Vote Count:

Croc (4/7) - Simply, Croc, Supa, Press

Speedrace (2/7) - User, Bear

Oro (1/7) - RM

Warren (1/7) - Oromagi

Please let me know if I’ve made a mistake


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Approximately 23 Hours left in the game 
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@Crocodile
Plz respond to 434 asap.
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@oromagi
Yeah, and that's what I thought he was saying. The alignment in the show is the alignment in the game was rat's theory. Everyone on that list confirmed that theory and you just did too. While it is possible that the theme is something else, good vs bad is the most likely theme.
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@Crocodile
Problem is, i'm not vtling myself. I'm currently not voting.
Can you please give me a post number? I can’t seem to find an UNVOTE anywhere from you. Don’t know if I just missed it.
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@PressF4Respect
Who else could it possibly be?
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@Crocodile
I don't understand why you are doing this. You are confirming random people as mafia, and doing nothing to find the real ones. You are quite literally trolling the game.



UNVOTE
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@Crocodile
Who else could it possibly be?
You said that your death would confirm them as scum. I'm asking you how that would be the case. You haven't responded.

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Croc (4/7) - Simply, Croc, Supa, Press

Speedrace (1/7) - User

Oro (1/7) - RM

Warren (1/7) - Oromagi

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Yeah, and that's what I thought he was saying. The alignment in the show is the alignment in the game was rat's theory. Everyone on that list confirmed that theory and you just did too. While it is possible that the theme is something else, good vs bad is the most likely theme.

seems way too obvious to me....

Let's see if we can test this.

Here is a list of Season 4 antagonists

Without revealing character or role, can anybody advise that they are an antagonistic  character but also town?


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Ok ok I just finished reading like the 7 or so pages I missed. There are two possible answers for Crocodile's playing. One, he's a complete idiot of a town. Or two, he's genius scum. How is he scum? Well, first off, I'd like to say that he is definitely Ani. It's not likely it was a fake claim provided by pie and it's way too risky in case of being cc'd. But he's not town either. What really threw me off wasn't the sudden claim but the repeated hinting at a power role. With an established miller, this kind of play seems to be baiting the cops. Why would he want a cop to investigate him? Because he's the godfather. Reading up on the wiki, Ani is apparently very good at socially interacting, yet has a problem with lying: 
Ani often lies about her whereabouts in order to spend some free time pursuing her own hobbies and interests. However, this habit had made her into an unreliable narrator as she also lied to Clay and Jessica about her interactions with Bryce and to Deputy Standall during both of her interrogations.
As shown by that line. 
People were starting to get suspicious of Crocidile so he voted himself and said a bunch of almost painfully idiotic things. This made him more inno? (don't quote me on this last sentence tho)
This doesn't directly contradict what I said about the theme of the game as Ani may look like a good guy, but actually is a compulsive liar. (this is what I got from the wiki, if im wrong please tell me)
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oh shit what they're an antagonist? i wont reveal my char or role but im one of those guys and im town i swear
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don't call me an idiot you scumbag
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FINALLY caught up

VTL Croc

Voting yourself is pretty much the most anti-town thing you can do. But also, the Ani claim? Ani is the most likely character to be cop, besides the literal cops on the show (and maybe Clay). However with Water's analysis, it made me think that she is an insane cop (she got the wrong person pinned for a murder right?). And Mafia knows this! So I believe that if he is town, it is extremely likely that he will die this NP, so I don't think there is any real negative effects of this.

Croc is just a detriment overall
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Vote Count:

Croc (5/7) - Simply, Croc, Supa, Press, Speed

Speedrace (1/7) - User

Oro (1/7) - RM

Warren (1/7) - Oromagi

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What really threw me off wasn't the sudden claim but the repeated hinting at a power role. With an established miller, this kind of play seems to be baiting the cops. Why would he want a cop to investigate him? Because he's the godfather. Reading up on the wiki, Ani is apparently very good at socially interacting, yet has a problem with lying: 
Ani often lies about her whereabouts in order to spend some free time pursuing her own hobbies and interests. However, this habit had made her into an unreliable narrator as she also lied to Clay and Jessica about her interactions with Bryce and to Deputy Standall during both of her interrogations.
Dang, I never actually thought about this. Excellent read.

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oh shit what they're an antagonist? i wont reveal my char or role but im one of those guys and im town i swear
OK. thanks.   swearing does not improve your claim  but volunteering helpful data does.

So- if we accept WP's claim then at least one antagonist character has a town role, disproving RM's irrational town confirmation of croc/ani

Any other players want to advise they are on this list (without getting specific please)?  Keep in mind we will probably need to claim in DP2 or 3 so being on this list without advising now will increase scumminess singnificantly