13 Reasons Why Mafia DP1

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@Speedrace
Unvote Speedrace, 

please catch up fast and answer things asked to you and spoken about you.
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@WaterPhoenix
I explained them in my past posts on this page and the previous one, I am not going to repeat them, especiallly as he's just arrived to answer the question I said he had to answer for me to finetune my reads on him.
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@Speedrace
Respond to #119 plz
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What are your thoughts on Oromagi and me? Is he right to scumread me or what? I don't understand half of what he is saying is even scummy or where I somehow am misleading town, I am curious how it looks in your eyes as you are the only confirmed town according to others (to me both you and Croc are, with me as confirmed to myself and WP+User as townreads).

I am beginning to seriously suspect Oromagi and I don't comprehend why he'd want so badly to suggest that characters aren't linked to their roles unless he wants to make life easier for him and his partners to claim evil characters and be un-cc'd along that line of clash.
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I'm going to keep my vote on speedrace until he responds. This will give him pressure.
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@RationalMadman
Claim, or at least partly claim. Who or what are you?
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I don't really remember if pie liked to make his theme divide extremely complex but not gonna lie it's a pretty big jump to not have "any doubt" in your mind about the theme from a total of two characters.
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@Speedrace
Welcome
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@Crocodile
I'm male, what exactly do you want me to go into details of? I don't see why I should reveal more. It will help mafia far more than town to know who I am vs am not.
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@WaterPhoenix
No it's not at all. Press is either lying or there is 100% certainty that characters are linked to their roles by their show persona. I combine this with my own description and character to know it. There's no jump.
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@Crocodile
I'd be willing to claim if you force 2 others to do it at a set time that we all claim our character. If we are going towards massclaiming, I want it to be fair and enable at least one slip.
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Dude wtf are you talking about? Literally what are you saying? How can Ani be scum, explain it.
I did explain in the post that you are responding to.

"some scum will risk the exposure to trade for town cred and some in some games scum are able to figure out the split (or are even given safe claims)."

Why would Croc knowingly claim such a main character if she is scumsided? There's be no motive at all to claim her so early unless it was to confirm himself as town.
Or to gain cred from players who leap to conclusions based on their own PM (to be clear, I don't think that's a likely scenario in this case, just not an impossible scenario)

I don't know wtf you are saying, genuinely. I did not scumtell by saying that he is confirmed town, you are scumtelling by trying to cast doubt on a blatant fact by saying some complete nonsense like Pie is sexist or some shit in how he split the characters.  I know from my own character description as well as what Press revealed about his own miller description, that the characters are being assigned alignment and roles based on their general description in the show.
No you don't.  I am telling you now not to make that mistake.
This I know purely from my own combined with Press, there is no fucking scumtell or secret knowledge required to know how the split is done. Why would Press split them by gender?
No you don't know.  I am not saying the thematic split is gender I am saying the thematic split could be anything.  If you think you can assume alignment based on character this early on, you are very likely mistaken.


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I am not mistaken at all unless Press is lying and got away with it. If Press isn't lying, both his char being completely and utterly linked to show-role and my own being the same from my PM combines to produce the undeniable correlation between character alignment in-show and alignment in-game.
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Vote Count:

Speedrace (3/7) - User, Crocodile, Bear

LittleCookie (1/7) - Oromagi

Water (1/7) - Press

Oro (1/7) - Supa

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VTL Oromagi
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I've been reading a lot, even though I'm not contributing to the mafia game that much. It seems my character is linked also to my role.
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I believe speedrace is town because here is what I think happened, Oromagi is scum and knows Speedrace is town and sees a bandwagon building. He has the perfect opportunity to frame me and lead a lynch on me the next day if he challenges me on it and lets it naturally happen anyway (so speedrace is lynched, flips town and he's the 'hero' who fought against me on it on Day 1 letting him have town cred Day 2). If you look at his reasoning it's not even rational, he's completely blinkered and almost salivating at twisting me realising that characters are linked to their alignment in show  as being a scumtell(which I thought was obvious as fuck and what is done in every single theme, as well as knowing fro Press outing combined with my own role PM is the case in this game).

If he is town, I don't know wtf this jump on me is for AT ALL. I makes no sense at all how hard I'm being scumread for noticing a blatant link between Press's character, his role, my own character and their role and the fact that Crocodile proudly outs as Ani and how towny she is based on her description.
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I do not 'townread' Speedrace, I scumread Oromagi and am basing my reads off of how he reacted to me pushing on Speedrace.
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Vote Count:

Speedrace (3/7) - User, Crocodile, Bear

Oro (2/7) - Supa, RM

LittleCookie (1/7) - Oromagi

Water (1/7) - Press



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Also Supa's overreaction to Oromagi voting him and way they've been talking since then could be 'overdramatic rivalry' staged to separate them.

The team can be Oromagi, Bearman and Supadudz. Why 3? Cast size and proportions, no it's not a scumtell to predict that. 

This also makes sense as it explains why Oromagi genuinely was ready to lynch any inactive at all and explicitly said so once Supadudz was no longer among them. 
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Bearman has been echoing me in 2 ways, firstly when I VTNL and secondly when I said characters are linked to their roles. This could be town agreeing with town of course but it's plausible he's been told to appear to buddy me hard in order to throw others' reads off in his interactions. He did list me as a townread originally so it makes sense if he's town too.
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op says 3 scum
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Not  a lot of reasoning from RM here- seems quite agitated and I don't believe him when he seems to not understand my caution re: assuming alignment.
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@RationalMadman
What are your thoughts on Oromagi and me?
Right now, I have a lean town read on you, given the fact that you have been actively participating, making deductions, and creating town and scum reads of your own. For Oro, I currently have a null/slightly scum read on him, given that he seems to be breadcrumbing at places (by breadcrumbing I mean giving just enough info to seem helpful, but not really providing too much.

Is he right to scumread me or what?
As you said, he is a very literal player, and it's certainly plausible that it could be the case for role-character links as well.



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@WaterPhoenix
Oh, I genuinely forgot that but it makes sense that it was in my memory. I consciously didn't remember reading that.
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@oromagi
I have given nonstop reasoning.
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@oromagi
Not  a lot of reasoning from RM here
>Literally have posted pure reasoning in the entire past 2 pages. Out of all 'reasoning' given, I have been the majority in this entire game.
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@oromagi
seems quite agitated
You are trying to lead a lynch on me and throw shade on me regardless of a lynch. It is so successful that Crocodile is trying to force a claim of out me. You would be agitated too in my shoes this is 0% a scumtell, I am town and don't want to be lynched.
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Back to catching up again. Will read on what’s going on. I will be more active tomorrow, as I have access all day to a PC
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@oromagi
Life gets in the way of a lot of things. I’ve been more focused on being an entrepreneur and doing studies on my free time. I’ve been highly invested and simply did not see DART. It’s also the weekend, so I use my PC less. A lot of things go into activity, I believe it isn’t fair to judge based off that alone IMO, unless they are lurking or haven’t posted