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@Goldtop
Do you deny the concept of an ultimate reality?
Why saying "God doesn't exist" is indefensible
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@Mopac
Being a mocker and a scoffer is not an argument.
It's really quite interesting how you went from that to this in one fell swoop of hypocrisy...
People would rather prop up themselves, videogames, movies, lusts of the senses, fantasies, vain imaginings... than The Truth.If that is really what makes life for you, hey, all I can say is don't be surprised if your idolatries end up steering you and your societies toward oppression and slavery.Keep it real, thats the best policy. Your masturbations will not profit you.
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@Plisken
Could you first define 'ultimate reality'?
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@Goldtop
No, this is a dour warning, not mere mockery. A society that prefers the satisfying of its lusts over The Truth is on the way to tyranny.
Such a society is like a junkie with needles hanging out of its arms in the alley. There is nothing there but death.
Here is what the Merriam-webster unabridged dictionary tells us about the ultimate reality....
Definition of ultimate reality
: something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality ultimate reality in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is God
THE TRUTH
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@Mopac
Merriam Webster the holiest of all holy books. Praise be to Webster.
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@Mopac
Definition of ultimate reality: something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality ultimate reality in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is God
So for the vast majority of the population it has no meaning at all. BTW can you confirm your claim? No? It's just a claim.
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@disgusted
My claim is that when I say, "God", I am talking about The Ultimate Reality.
My claim has been thoroughly demonstrated.
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@Mopac
My claim has been thoroughly demonstrated.
Praise be the Merriam Dictionary, the holiest of holy books, the ultimate, ultimate Truth.
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@Goldtop
Actually, if you are interested in knowing, I probably shouldn't define it. Its not practical to limit it to what you can realize on your own. The ultimate reality just is, if that might begin to convey the totality.
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@Goldtop
What does "holy" mean to you?
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@Plisken
Sorry, but if you're going to ask me about something that has no real meaning, can be defined, demonstrated or even logically argued, then there's not really much I can offer.
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@Plisken
What does "holy" mean to you?
Ry Cooder or Lowell George playing slide guitar.
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@Plisken
He isn't interested in knowing anything. He only cares about sounding convincing. He takes his ability to sound convincing as proof that there is no truth.
He doesn't believe in truth. It's all rhetoric.
But it probably wouldn't be right to believe me on my words. Watch, he's a devil in disguise. He gives himself away.
Ultimate reality
Ultimately real
He doesn't believe in truth. Thats why he's asking. You gave a good answer. He isn't asking you so he can know anything, he simply wants to trap you in your words.
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@ethang5
No, Ethan. It's only bad or wrong when someone loves said person. Even then... assisted suicide if you are in extreme physical pain isn't wrong. So it's not so obvious. Mopac couldn't tell me how his god is more real than mine. You haven't been able to tell me how your god is more real than mine. So.. it most def. isn't obvious...Is it obvious that suicide is wrong?
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@Outplayz
My God is the essence of real. If your God was more real than mine, your God would be my God.
My God is The Ultimate Reality.
The realest truest most existiest reality is what I call God.
People actually argue that this God doesn't exist. Baffling.
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@Mopac
We went through this and didn't reach any conclusion. I believe "god" is everything. It isn't a "who" it's everything. Pantheism would describe this at surface level and helps me illustrate what i mean but i have added extras to the idea as i learned. It manifested in one of two ways. It evolved into what it is, or it has always been.. i don't really care bc all i care about are the implications and how it affects me. I'm selfish that way, whatever. But the implications would be that i am also god, so are you. We are all part of this 'infinite' intelligence. When you die... you become it. Therefore, death isn't the afterlife, this is the afterlife for you will never "just" stay as god. Having a human experiences is the manifestation of what this god already knows. To live is the only way to truly experience what this source consciousness already knows. For your dreams to be real, they would need to manifest in life. Hence, this life is paradise; or hell... it is the afterlife. And when we die... we will manifest into another experience. You are the driver of your own experiences. No one else.
If you believe this, i'm with you. If you don't, i will think you are wrong until you can prove me wrong. Why would anything you believe apply to me? That is the question bc i think whatever you believe applies only to you when it comes to death.
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@Mopac
Ok how does this lead us to christianity? How can we make any objective statement about this ultimate reality other than "it is what it is"? What if it isn't the christian god? What if buhddism describes the ultimate truth and we are destined to be reincarnated until we reach perfect peace? What if solipsism describes the ultimate truth and nothing you experience is real beyondthe fact that it is your real experience?The realest truest most existiest reality is what I call God.
You don't know what your god is. You cannot make any objective statement about it's properties.
On a final note dictionaries are only authorities on popular usage of words not on the nature of reality. The word star and a star are quite different. A word is not the object the word describes.
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@Mopac
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.My God is The Ultimate Reality.
You learn by rote, don't you.
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@secularmerlin
God is one, not the Christian god.
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@secularmerlin
Maybe you are missing the whole point. You are after all, trying to argue about the dictionary with me when the dictionary has no bearing on what I believe. The dictionary confirms what I believe.
But besides that, you are missing the whole point. You don't know the purpose of my religion. If I told you, you wouldn't believe me because you think you already know.
So we might be able to get somewhere, but if you won't believe me, what is the point? All I have been doing since I joined this forum is express Christian theology, but I'm surrounded by unbelievers who think they know my faith better than I do.
So what can I do?
It's very simple
God is The Ultimate Reality.
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love others with charity.
My religion is relationship with God. This is something very different than what you think of as religion.
But besides that, you are missing the whole point. You don't know the purpose of my religion. If I told you, you wouldn't believe me because you think you already know.
So we might be able to get somewhere, but if you won't believe me, what is the point? All I have been doing since I joined this forum is express Christian theology, but I'm surrounded by unbelievers who think they know my faith better than I do.
So what can I do?
It's very simple
God is The Ultimate Reality.
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love others with charity.
My religion is relationship with God. This is something very different than what you think of as religion.
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@Plisken
Mopac has claimed that the ultimate reality is the christian god and to deny that this is the case is indefensible. If You wish to discuss the subject we certainly can but understand that our conversation is separate from my conversation with mopac.
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@Mopac
You have claimed to be christian and often quote the bible. This certainly gives the impression that you believe that christianity reflects ultimate reality. If this is not the case then why claim to be christian or connect your faith with the bible? If it is the case then you have not demonstrated that your beliefs reflect reality in any significant way.
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@Mopac
You can call your god a three eyed blue 7ft snail, it's still just your claim about your imaginary god.
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@Mopac
God is The Ultimate Reality.
Is your claim and you support that claim with a dictionary and nothing else. Your claim is dismissed.
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@Plisken
God is one,
One what?
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@Mopac
We already understand Christian theology, what you offer is "Mopac" theology, you're own confused, meaningless version.All I have been doing since I joined this forum is express Christian theology
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@secularmerlin
I do not need to prove that my beliefs reflect reality in anyway. That is not Christianity. Christianity teaches that everyone is wrong and only God is right.
My belief is that God isnright, and thisnis obviously true. My God is The Truth.
How can this be?
Through The Most Perfect Image of The Truth, with The Spirit of Truth, The Ultimate Reality is believed.
A belief in the threeness, a confession of the oneness of the creator of creation.
And Christianity acknowledges this relationship in a way that no other tradition does. They do not acknowledge that we relate to God through an image. An Icon. What is the Icon of Christianity? The Truth. The Ultimate Reality through The Truth.
If a truth dies does The Truth die?
There is a lot more going on with this Christianity the world dismisses than is realized.
Everything about the Christian discipline is about becoming more honest. Being released from the shackles that keep us from being honest.
Does that sound strange? Don't presume to understand my faith better than I.
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@Mopac
What is the Icon of Christianity?
The christ, which you have not demonstrated to have existed.
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@Mopac
I do not need to prove that my beliefs reflect reality in anyway.
The don't reflect reality in anyway, that's pretty obvious.
That is not Christianity. Christianity teaches that everyone is wrong and only God is right
That's very closed minded, ignorant and arrogant. Have you been learning that from your God?
Everything about the Christian discipline is about becoming more honest.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! That is hilarious on a biblical scale.