US States Mafia: DP1

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Also, I was scum then and was going to find any reason to FOS you anyway, lol
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Please don't make a claims list for us. Leave that to the players

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Agreed
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Supa would not make the noob scum.
That's simply not true. Affiliation is determined randomly with no regard for experience.
I don't know that.

That leaves only 5 town.
Hmm. So... 5 town, 2 scum.. and 1 noob (you). So you're saying you're not town?

I said supa would not make a noob scum.

Lynching a likely townie too quickly would be dumb.
You're not more likely to be townie and your reaction to completely normal pressure is starting to smell like scum.
I am most likely town, even if only because there are more of them.

You want claims in case there are roles.
Are you saying your state indicates what role you are?

No. I'm saying, as scum you want to know who you can kill safely.
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I don't know that.

Yeah, but I do. I'm telling you that's how mafia works here.

The equation you gave was 8 players. 5 town, 2 scum, and you.

How does scum knowing your state know whether or not they can kill you?

Ethang, you're off base here. Pressuring people for claims is normal. Pressuring noobs is normal. You have no basis to disagree. 

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I'm starting to lean scum on ethang because if he was really a noob townie I feel he'd be more open to learning how the game is played rather than calling people scum based on flawed reasons.
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nah... scum is Buddha/Vaarka.
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Idk, I see ur point, but EthanG in other areas of posting is rather stubborn at times fmpov, especially when he's confident of something. 
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Still sus of Hammer, but can revisit later. 

Greyparrot is the next person I'm sus of. He starts out the game claiming, something that doesn't matter if there is not much of a link between states and roles. Could easily see that being a means to gain false town credence. 

Then when pressed about his lack of voting he omgus' votes the person pressing him and doesn't elaborate? Seems like contrivance to me. 

Lean Town

EthanG- previously outlined

Drafter- Drafter seems to haslve come out more aggressive in this game. But independent of that I really like how he RVS'd another player as oppose to joining the Pie wagon I tried starting.

As town, personally, one of my primary concerns is that mafia will control who gets pressured. If Pie comes up maf later on it will look sus AF. But for now this is a town behavior that shades drafter into the lean town category. 

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Vaarka
Pie

Sus

Hammer- previously mentioned

Greyparrot- elaborated in beginning of post.


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Pretty sure one of the 3 nulls is buddha's scum partner...vaarka, danielle or Pie... let's see what they have to say.
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GP's already char claimed though, so to the null list for now it is.

Unvote VTL Danielle

For a state claim.

@Greyparrot- was New York your actual claim, or not? 
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Buddha don't talk to me man...this is the 2nd game in a row where we are polar opposite. You and I both know what that means.
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@Greyparrot
this is the 2nd game in a row where we are polar opposite. You and I both know what that means.

This assumes we analyze and prioritize the same things when scumhunting.

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I'm sus of how GP claimed too. It comes across as a joke. Then to follow it up he doesn't address the question I pose to him yet again. 

This along with his lack of voting until it was pointed out, seems like he was hedging his bets against a CC. 

''No I'm New York!"

"Well it was a joke anyways." 

Setting up plausible deniability basically. 
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 where we are polar opposite

So ur SR'ing Drafter and EthanG, while TR'ing Hammer? What about your nulls? In what manner are our reads polar opposites? 
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Also, if you think my partner(s) is one of the nulls. Why specifically Vaarka as you mentioned previously? 

Why not Danielle or Pie? If you think I'm scum it reasonably follows ur basing how i act in relation to others to determine that. What are those behaviors? 
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Stop protesting. Let your nulls speak for themselves.
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Stop protesting. Let your nulls speak for themselves.

Or how about you answer my questions? Cause they're trying to get to your thought process. If you actually think you've nabbed scum you should have absolutely zero issue with doing that because elaborating that will only provide something for people to judge as to whether they do or don't see the merit of it.

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Right, so do we teach him different or let him get away with it?
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@drafterman
Right, so do we teach him different or let him get away with it?
By all means, teach me a lesson for having Day 1 phase hunches.

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I'm talking about ethang
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@drafterman
If Ethang is genuinely new, it won't be hard to get a legit scumtell.
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Right, so do we teach him different or let him get away with it?

Bruh, stop hitting me with Sophie's choice. I see ur point but I'm leaning town on him. Like hell I'm voting for him unless theres not another feasible wagon. 

I know you leaned town on GP, but what are ur thoughts on my observations? 

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Right, but he's SRing for shit reasons. If you think we're both town, isn't it in towns interest to set him straight?
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Like hell I'm voting for him unless theres not another feasible wagon

By this i mean for a lynch when all is said and the DP is ending. How about we get others char claims out, then if EthanG still refuses to state claim, pressure for a full claim to send the message? 
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@ethang5
You know this. You want claims in case there are roles. You are scum.

What do you mean by this? Does your state link to ur role? If not, why would this be a concern to you regarding a state claim? 
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@drafterman
That's the second time I've seen Ethan pass off information that belies something that town wouldn't know yet. 

Thinking my lean town might have been a bit hasty tbh
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Or I'm bluffing.

But if there are roles, like bulletproof, you wouldn't want a shot at that as scum during NP would you?

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@ethang5
But if there are roles

What is being proposed is that States do not connect to roles, not that there are no roles? Now either your state doesn't connect to your role, in which case you should have no issue with outting it, Or it does, in which case that is odd considering nobody else has claimed such a connection thus far. 

Which would merit a full claim at that point fmpov.