Themeless Mafia 1 - Day Phase 2

Hm. Zaradi was definitely softing a PR after reading that post without context though I mixed it up when reading your catch up and thought that Zaradi was the one who had softed the existence of the roleblocker. Still not a good look for speed but not quite as bad as I'd thought.

This is what he and Lucky do lol 

Zaradi replacing out is inherently scummy.  

Max is my other willing option.  

If Zaradi hadn't replaced out, I would probably have continued to defend him because I did not then and do not now see how an informed player does what he did. 

If Zaradi flips town, then I think who must be scum is becoming pretty clear as the day goes on.

Warren, please provide your thoughts on the DPs so far. 

Haven't read yet and not feeling up to it at the moment, I'll probably do so later tonight.

That's fine.  I don't think there's a way to really proceed with this DP without lynching Zaradi though.  

I town read him and scum read TUF mostly off and on through this whole game, but the replacement is so scummy after what happened that there's nothing else to do. 

I just like Zaradi and I like playing with him and that is why I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Have always had a soft spot for cute boys...  (note he is 24)

But this can't be read any way other than that he was scum; so TUF is probably town

Please no one hammer before I post my case. If I am killed tonight I want my case out there first for yall to read the next day phase.

Yeah with limited information I think speed has to be lynched.

Like lunatic said I'd prefer we leave the DP open for now, in part so he can post his case and in part because that way I have more time to read

Ladies and Gentlemen, my college essay of a case against Speedrace (Zaradi) and Coal. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WiRKKOWLPlz9GON_-5Az-MXCqaFBK-oxqAKuxN2Ii7s/edit?usp=sharing

I apologize about the length, but there's a lot more than just Speedrace (Zaradi) at the focus here. And if I die, I want you guys to know who the next obvious lynch needs to be. The case against Coal is not dependent on Speedrace (zaradi) being scum either. In the off chance Zaradi is actually town (very very extremely unlikely), Coal is still scum under this case.

Alright, now I am okay with whoever hammering the day phase. Please take this case into account when going into DP3 if I am killed.

Looks like about 19 hours remaining in the day phase.

k I'm here. lucky finally messaged me 

so speedrace replaced Zaradi? 

where's airmax…? 

Thoughts on zaradis "night kill baiting"?

coal is playing to a town meta, just not HIS town meta. His meta is tunneling me in each and every game (regardless of affiliation) and making very assertive, objective stances as if he knows who is definitely scum. He also likes to try and boss people around which I always find very amusing.

In this game he has played very pro town insofar as cooperating with others, considering many options/scenarios, not tunneling, and didn't seem moved by things I missed that could have been portrayed as anti-town so I just considered him town and ignored the content in 90% of his posts. If he is scum then it would actually be brilliant to play to a regular town meta instead of his usual one. Until his defense of Zaradi, there was nothing he said or did that read anti-town to me at all. However I can't overlook the Zaradi defense at this point. There was no reason for Zaradi to do what he did as town and I could see how that post where Zaradi threatened to hard claim to him being a set-up. 

We have to lynch Zaradi today and I am comfortable vtl coal tomorrow, though it would be nice not to have to think about the inactives. If one of them wins as scum, that would be ass.

Btw I knew there was no theme per se; I just didn't realize everyone would be incentivized to claim vanilla cuz I skimmed the OP and potential set-ups. I thought it was like that Live Mafia chat site where they show you the roles on the side, but at least one mafioso usually fake claims a role from what I recall.

I will say that I take back what I said about having nothing to go on in a game full of vanillas, but I maintain I hate that set-up lol. I don't want to play in games like that going forward. Had Zaradi not given us anything to go on day phase 1, I probably wouldn't have participated so much this day phase. I just don't think a game of useless shitposting in day phase 1 is fun -- I prefer tricking people up through claims pressure, analyzing how wagons build later, figuring out how to try and confirm people, etc. rather than a game where everyone will just claim vanilla and it's blah. That's just my preference. But I am learning to be more open-minded I guess. 

Zaradi could have made a claim work but didn't. I will get my popcorn ready for the endgame.

What is the vote count? I think Zaradi/Speed is at 3/4 with Lunatic, me and coal on him. 

Are we waiting for Sui, Oro, or Max to post...?

I'm max now. I have a couple errands to run and will be reading up when I get back, so I'd politely request nobody hammer, though my vote is on speed in spirit, for what that's worth.

im here. I'm not sure I think the case against Zaradi is sufficient but looking at the collapse of activity it may be the only lever for progressing the game.

Speed taking over increases my willingness but not for any rational cause.  It's just that every time I play with Speed he is always scum and he always wins

Feel free to offer why you think it isn't sufficient, proving you actually read it ;-)

Just to make sure, as it can affect how I read, coal is YYW. Who is objectivity? Same username as DDO? If so then I don't recall playing with them at any point.

Objectivity was from DDO, he mostly played live mafia. I don't remember playing forum mafia with him ever. And yes Coal is YYW

Are you really though?

Are you really though?

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By the way I'm here and working on a big ol catch-up post

Zaradi suggests power role in DP1 "hardclaiming"

Zaradi(Speedrace) now claims VANILLA

Zaradi did not hard claim, so not really caught in a lie but sus

town vanillas do sometimes hint at PRs tactically

If scum, Zaradi's motivation for hint is hard to credit

so I'm on the fence.  I don't have high confidence Speed is scum(or town) but I don't think we are likely to see progress on any other front

Thoughts on players from DP1:

Coal: States he's not interested in an airmax lynch (#20) when no such discussion had occurred. Kinda weird start. I kinda want to buy that he doesn't actually know whether it's 7/2 or 6/3. Then again, coal is too smart to think there's a game that reaches LYLO D2, right? The talk about masons (#57) feels quite a bit like he knows it's in that column of the setup. Potential slip here. Maybe it's because it's my slot and I'm hyper aware of it but calling airmax out (#88) for being "conspicuously silent" five hours into the game when airmax hadn't posted yet seems like a subtle attempt to paint the slot in a poor light. Kinda like his frustration throughout the phase with inactive people which can kinda help my

Objectivity: Starts early by making some mechanic talk that's not particularly useful or alignment indicative. His "hey I'm here just don't have anything to say" (#96) feels like he's a little too concerned with his appearance, which I usually think is more true of mafia. Calls oro overeager and asserts that he's driving discussion (#104) when I'd argue oro is doing anything but that. Talks about bussing oro (#106) which is probably just a mis-type but could be a slip in that he knows oro is a bus. If oro flips scum I'd be interested in an objectivity lynch

Zaradi: gives out some weak early townreads

Oro: Feels weird he's throwing out a vote that's explicitly labeled as an RVS vote but he also has reads at that point. Seems to me like if you have reads we're past the point of needing an RVS vote. Even after clarifying that his reads list is based solely on activity that feels weird to me.

I fell asleep working on this and am only like a third of the way through D1. I'll just read and give general thoughts instead of more specific ones at the end

It's more prone to backfire in an open set up (it's how speed got vigged in Virt's themeless game).  In this case if there was another PR, and if he was CC'ed it would have been bad news.

Keep in mind, he was still attempting to deny he ever bread crumbed in the first place. If he was scum his motivation was to keep a power role claim as town cred. Even at the start of this phase he was denying where he was breadcrumbing, this before he finally admitted to having bread crumbed.